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OldChum OldChum:

Yes some stores pay them but they are also to make up for typically low wages .

I remember reading that Wal-Mart refuses to release a median wage. To defend its treatment of workers, Wal-Mart releases statistics on its average hourly wage for full-time employees. However, Wal-Mart has never published its median wage -- a data point that would give a clearer sense of what workers earn. Instead, the store uses misleading language that masks the fact that hourly managers earn higher wages than hourly floor workers -- a fact that skews the "average" wage of “store associates” -- and refuses to release wage levels for specific job functions.

Got proof of that? From this part of Quebec not the US.

You used Costco as an example of their competition. I don't think a place that requires a membership fee is in the same boat. How about Canadian Tire Zellers the Bay..Walmarts real competition.

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IIRC, the Zellers next door to the J. Quebec Walmart was unionized.

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IIRC, the Zellers next door to the J. Quebec Walmart was unionized.

And how much more do they pay compared to Walmart?

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IIRC, the Zellers next door to the J. Quebec Walmart was unionized.

And how much more do they pay compared to Walmart?

Walmart doesn't deserve this comparison, because they closed down and ran away instead of trying to compete.

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Wal-Mart CEO H. Lee Scott is the highest paid retail executive. The value of Scott’s 2007 Compensation Packet is around $31.6 million. H. Lee Scott's compensation package rose by roughly $2 million in value compared to previous years. Three Wal-Mart executives are on the top ten list - with a combined compensation packet totaling $59.8 million. [Women’s Wear Daily, 7/24/08]

Costco CEO Jim Sinegal’s annual salary is $350,000 plus bonuses. His salary is about double the salary of a Costco warehouse manager and less than ten times the salary of a Costco cashier with threeand-a-half years on the job. According to the New York Times, Mr. Sinegal turned down bonuses in 2001-2003: “I rejected my bonus because we had a couple of years where we hadn’t performed up to our standards,” he said. “We were more profitable than the year before, but we didn’t hit the standards we had set for ourselves, so we didn’t think we were entitled.” [New York Times, 4/4/04; InsideWork, 4/14/05]

Costco offers a higher average wage. In addition to a low turnover rate, Costco average wage is around $17 an hour while Wal-Mart’s average was hovers below $11. Coincidently, Wal-Mart’s number represents the average pay of the lowest paid employee at Costco. [Washington Post, 1/30/07]

And in the end, who gives a crap about what the CEO's make?

Spend less time worrying about what other people have and worry about yourself.

Wal-Mart isn't in the business of compensating people via higher wages for poor choices made during their life nor should people look to the CEO to throw down some charity money to help these people.

People should aspire to be something more than a Wal-Mart associate. It's NOT a job that someone should rely on to provide entirely for their family.

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PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Canadian Jeff Canadian Jeff:

You'll forgive me when I say it's bullshit that these judges think it's some corporations god given right to shut doors whenever they want because they have failed to make peace with their employees

Soooo what you are saying then is, when a PRIVATE business wishes to shut its doors it needs court permission?

I owned a business, and quite frankly, it WAS my God given right to do whatever I wanted with it, as long as it was legal. If I wanted to shut it down then that was MY perogative, not some judge's. But I guess as soon as a union is formed, then MY rights a business owner should be subjucated to the union? Tell me Jeff, why should someone that has invested THEIR time and THEIR money, be told how they will operate their business by a bunch of morons that have contributed NOTHING to it?

I am so sick of unions trying to enforce their will on who can do business in Canada and HOW they will do business. They scream that intimidation is being used in places where the unions are being kept out, then use the same tactics to try and force their way in.

Let me cite you an example. There was a little factory just outside of Windsor ON. The CAW had been trying to get in there for years. The CAW then started screaming about how the company was using intimidation tactics on the employees to keep the union out. Now, I knew several people that worked there. Wanna know the "intimidation" that was used? The company paid their workers a MORE than fair wage, gave them benefits equal to what the CAW gets for it's sheep, and every 6 weeks, they got the Friday afternoon off..WITH PAY. There was only one catch, they had to stay for the barbeque. Sooo, the CAW's claim of unfair tactics was total bullshit, although they were quite vocal and public about it. Apparently it's unfair to treat your employees well enough to keep the union out!

This story with Wal-Mart is a testament to me about how unions still think that THEY can dictate how business will be done in Canada.

If businesses started treating their employees like the factory then by all means I"m there 110% in regards to my wanting to do business with that company. I appreciate and go out of my way to do business with places that follow the same values I do.

Also your business I'm wagering was not doing over 10 billion dollars each year in profit and employing 1.4 million people. When your doing that kind of profitI don't think it's unrealistic for employees to think that they deserve a livable wage.

Frankly I don't see you as the kind of person who would pay people less then they need to live. You'll forgive me when I say that businesses like yours are not the problem at all they are the example of what to do.

It's companies that pay rock bottom wages, use 3rd world labor and deliver second rate quality like Wal-Mart that shouldn't be too amazed when someone sues.

Employees are entitled to the wage they agreed upon at the time of hire provided that they do the job they were hired to do. No more, no less!

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IIRC, the Zellers next door to the J. Quebec Walmart was unionized.

And how much more do they pay compared to Walmart?

Walmart doesn't deserve this comparison, because they closed down and ran away instead of trying to compete.

End of debate.

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OnTheIce OnTheIce:

And in the end, who gives a crap about what the CEO's make?

Spend less time worrying about what other people have and worry about yourself.

Someone else opened the door to this story when they felt it was relevant to give a crap about what unions make.

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Wal-Mart isn't in the business of compensating people via higher wages for poor choices made during their life nor should people look to the CEO to throw down some charity money to help these people.

Are you saying that wallmart is not a benevolent company? It's strange that you feel it necessary to educate me on this matter.

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People should aspire to be something more than a Wal-Mart associate. It's NOT a job that someone should rely on to provide entirely for their family.

That is very good advice for your daughter or my son. But what about the 1.2 million workers that currently work there? Do I start to think of them as something less than human because they made some bad choices in life?Personalally, I dont think that is what you are suggesting but you seem to be suggesting that they are not entitled to join and form unions like the rest of us.

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quote="ASLplease"]quote="gigs"]quote="ASLplease"]IIRC, the Zellers next door to the J. Quebec Walmart was unionized.

And how much more do they pay compared to Walmart?/quote]

Walmart doesn't deserve this comparison, because they closed down and ran away instead of trying to compete./quote]

End of debate.[/quote][/quote]

I agree. There is no point in comparing salaries of a Zellers store with the salaries of a Walmart store that doesn't exist.

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Someone else opened the door to this story when they felt it was relevant to give a crap about what unions make.

I really never understood the connection. CEO's are the people who run the entire company, which is worth millions, if not billions. If they fail, they might make 20 or so million and NEVER WORK AGAIN due to their destroyed reputation. They make decisions that can be worth, or cost, the company millions, if not billions of dollars. They probably have more diplomas than I have years in university, and probably have more experience than most of us combined.

No fucking shit they're going to get paid millions of dollars in both salary and bonuses. I wouldn't work for peanuts either. Walmart based jobs are low, if any education, usually requiring manual labor. I'm sick and tired of those who support unions bitching about the pay of CEOs, or hell, even management level employees when they're the ones who took the gamble of getting little to no education to work at a manual labor job.

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Employees are entitled to the wage they agreed upon at the time of hire provided that they do the job they were hired to do. No more, no less!

Even when the agreed upon wage was previously established by a collective agreement? I have a feeling that you might resist agreeing with me because of you feelings about unions.

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Someone else opened the door to this story when they felt it was relevant to give a crap about what unions make.

I really never understood the connection. CEO's are the people who run the entire company, which is worth millions, if not billions. If they fail, they might make 20 or so million and NEVER WORK AGAIN due to their destroyed reputation. They make decisions that can be worth, or cost, the company millions, if not billions of dollars. They probably have more diplomas than I have years in university, and probably have more experience than most of us combined.

No fucking shit they're going to get paid millions of dollars in both salary and bonuses. I wouldn't work for peanuts either. Walmart based jobs are low, if any education, usually requiring manual labor. I'm sick and tired of those who support unions bitching about the pay of CEOs, or hell, even management level employees when they're the ones who took the gamble of getting little to no education to work at a manual labor job.

good point but misdirected. I was comparing CEO salaries with other CEO salaries. IMHO, that is a valid comparison when others are comparing union wages with non union wages.

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good point but misdirected. I was comparing CEO salaries with other CEO salaries. IMHO, that is a valid comparison when others are comparing union wages with non union wages.

My apologies then. I thought that's what you were trying to discuss.

One thing I can say about comparing the salaries between the CEOs of different retail companies is once again, the size of those companies. It's difficult to compare the salaries of Walmart and Zellers because Walmart is HUGE and Zellers, no matter how much it might want to, will never be the size of Walmart, and the same goes with Target, The Bay, and whoever else.

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quote="ASLplease"]quote="gigs"]quote="ASLplease"]IIRC, the Zellers next door to the J. Quebec Walmart was unionized.

And how much more do they pay compared to Walmart?/quote]

Walmart doesn't deserve this comparison, because they closed down and ran away instead of trying to compete./quote]

End of debate.

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I agree. There is no point in comparing salaries of a Zellers store with the salaries of a Walmart store that doesn't exist.[/quote]



So what was the point of the whole thread? You assumed the employees wanted to become union because they were paid less than their competitors. You still don't know how their wages compared.

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Yogi Yogi:

Employees are entitled to the wage they agreed upon at the time of hire provided that they do the job they were hired to do. No more, no less!

Even when the agreed upon wage was previously established by a collective agreement? I have a feeling that you might resist agreeing with me because of you feelings about unions.

Then you would be wrong! 'Union or no', If I hire on with a company, and we agree on a job description, at an agreed-upon wage, and both myself and my employer proceed to fulfill our end of the agreement, what right does either party have to arbitrarily change the agreement using any method, for any reason?