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 Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 5:00 pm
Brenda Brenda: ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny: refer to above post, $3600 per year per person for top qaulity health care, thats what I pay it worth every penny!!!!!
if you cant afford that you are not middle classor you just dont find the need for insurance which should be my choice also!!! What is considered middle class? $50K gross a year? Family of 4, 3600x4= 14400 Mortgage payments, 2000/mo= 24000 Thats already 38000... Dunno, but... WTH do you pay your healthcare from? 50K/year isn't middle class ! I would say more like 80-100K for a family of 4.
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Brenda
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Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 5:01 pm
Here we go... $1: The lower middle class is the second most populous according to both Gilbert's as well as Thompson & Hickey's models, constituting roughly one third of the population, the same percentage as the working class. However, according to James M. Henslin, who also divides the middle class into two sub-groups, the lower middle class is the most populous, constituting 34% of the population.[5] In all three class models the lower middle class is said to consist of "semi-professionals" and lower level white collar employees. An adaptation by sociologists Brian K. William, Stacy C. Sawyer, and Carl M. Wahlstrom of Dennis Gilbert's class model gave the following description of the lower middle class:[5]
The lower middle class… these are people in technical and lower-level management positions who work for those in the upper middle class as lower managers, craftspeople, and the like. They enjoy a reasonably comfortable standard of living, although it is constantly threatened by taxes and inflation. Generally, they have a Bachelor's and sometimes Masters college degree.
—Brian K. William, Stacy C. Sawyer and Carl M. Wahlstrom, Marriages, Families & Intimate Relationships, 2006 (Adapted from Dennis Gilbert 1997; and Joseph Kahl 1993)[5]
Taking into account the percentages provided in the six-class model by Gilbert, as well as the model of Thompson and Hickey, one can apply US Census Bureau statistics regarding income. According to these class models the lower middle class is located roughly between the 52nd and 84th percentile of society. In terms of personal income distribution in 2005, that would mean gross annual personal incomes from about $32,500 to $60,000.[20] As 42% of all households, and the majority of those in the top 40%, had two income earners, household income figures would be significantly higher, ranging from roughly $50,000 to $100,000 annually.[13] In terms of educational attainment, 27% of persons had a Bachelor's degree or higher. If the upper middle and upper class combined are to constitute 16% of the population, it becomes clear that some of those in the lower middle class boast college degrees or some college education.[25]
yeah, wiki... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_middle_class
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Brenda
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Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 5:09 pm
another little quote from the same page... $1: Vernacular middle class
The term middle class in more colloquial language use may refer to all those individuals who might at one point or another be identified as middle class, as they occupy neither extreme of the socio-economic strata. Most of those with households income between $40,000 and $95,000 identify as "middle class."
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Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 5:10 pm
US Medical System Sucks!0: 
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Hell, I'm no fan of Obama, think he is pretty much the equivalent to 9/11 to the economy. But, on this one point of trying to provide health coverage of the poor and underinsured... it hope he is successful. I have lived in Washington, California, Texas and Florida and have experienced the health system in each of those states and what a F*&k'in joke. The minute you walk in that door your are ranked on 1. do you have insurance, and 2. what will your insurance pay for. Your level of care is bacially then provided on your means to pay and nothing more. So if you have Medicare or Medicaid don't expect the same level of care as someone who has private insurance and can pay for all the bells and whistels. The United States should be ashamed, because this is racism... economic racism.
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Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 5:14 pm
tritium tritium: US Medical System Sucks!0: 314354118_8eac059fc7.jpg Hell, I'm no fan of Obama, think he is pretty much the equivalent to 9/11 to the economy. But, on this one point of trying to provide health coverage of the poor and underinsured... it hope he successful. I have lived in Washington, California, Texas and Florida and have experienced the health system in each of those states and what a F*&k'in joke. The minute you walk in that door your are ranked on 1. do you have insurance, and 2. what will your insurance pay for. Your level of care is bacially then provided on your means to pay and nothing more. So if you have Medicare or Medicaid don't expect the same level of care as someone who has private insurance and can pay for all the bells and whistels. The United States should be ashamed, because this is racism... economic racism. well put, sir.
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Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 5:20 pm
Hmm, interesting, Tritium. I guess our system does kind of suck.
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Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 5:43 pm
ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny: refer to above post, $3600 per year per person for top qaulity health care, thats what I pay it worth every penny!!!!!
if you cant afford that you are not middle classor you just dont find the need for insurance which should be my choice also!!! No, actually if we refer back to your post, the business you own pays for your health care insurance... Do all the employees of your business enjoy the same coverage? No response back to anything I said...interesting
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Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 6:23 pm
Chagrin Chagrin: Yes, Scape, we get it. You're so much better than us.  Oh please. Don't wade in with the martyr complex when all that is happening is an exchange of ideas.
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Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 6:24 pm
Chagrin Chagrin: You make a good point too, and I do not disagree with you. I don't have a problem with him but he does get a little over-the-top sometimes. Then don't complain about triple-teaming.
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Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 6:29 pm
back_blastnet back_blastnet: ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny: refer to above post, $3600 per year per person for top qaulity health care, thats what I pay it worth every penny!!!!!
if you cant afford that you are not middle classor you just dont find the need for insurance which should be my choice also!!! No, actually if we refer back to your post, the business you own pays for your health care insurance... Do all the employees of your business enjoy the same coverage? No response back to anything I said...interesting Yes my company covers all employees and their familys if needed. We are a union shop.
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Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 6:31 pm
Brenda Brenda: ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny: refer to above post, $3600 per year per person for top qaulity health care, thats what I pay it worth every penny!!!!!
if you cant afford that you are not middle classor you just dont find the need for insurance which should be my choice also!!! What is considered middle class? $50K gross a year? Family of 4, 3600x4= 14400 Mortgage payments, 2000/mo= 24000 Thats already 38000... Dunno, but... WTH do you pay your healthcare from? A family of four making 50k middle class come you serious????? They would be covered by Medicade
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Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 6:38 pm
ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny: your system sucks and you and Obama can keep it!!!!! Ultimately, we're not going to agree on this forum, and further bitching at each other seems pointless. I think it's best to agree to disagree. By the way, since Obama is your president and if he likes our system, then maybe you can keep it. 
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Brenda
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Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 6:39 pm
ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny: Brenda Brenda: ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny: refer to above post, $3600 per year per person for top qaulity health care, thats what I pay it worth every penny!!!!!
if you cant afford that you are not middle classor you just dont find the need for insurance which should be my choice also!!! What is considered middle class? $50K gross a year? Family of 4, 3600x4= 14400 Mortgage payments, 2000/mo= 24000 Thats already 38000... Dunno, but... WTH do you pay your healthcare from? A family of four making 50k middle class come you serious????? They would be covered by Medicade Check link.
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Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 6:45 pm
Brenda Brenda: Check link. Yeah I did, it says that would be lower middle class at $50,000 for a family
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Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 6:46 pm
ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny: back_blastnet back_blastnet: ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny: refer to above post, $3600 per year per person for top qaulity health care, thats what I pay it worth every penny!!!!!
if you cant afford that you are not middle classor you just dont find the need for insurance which should be my choice also!!! No, actually if we refer back to your post, the business you own pays for your health care insurance... Do all the employees of your business enjoy the same coverage? No response back to anything I said...interesting Yes my company covers all employees and their familys if needed. We are a union shop. Funny no reponse yet???
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