[Lemmy]

stemmer stemmer:

And no one writes songs about Hondas or Toyotas????

I do:

"Loaded up the Tundra, for the fishing trip
Made sure I had lots of booze and dope
and all that campin' shit
Headed for a place, that's called Shining Tree
It's about 3 hours, north of Sudbury
When we got our feet on solid ground
set up all the tarps and tents
then the rain came pouring down
WHAT THE FUCK? WHAT THE FUCK? WHAT THE FUCK?"

...it goes on some.

[raydan]

stemmer stemmer:

And no one writes songs about Hondas or Toyotas????
Cheers

The only car songs written today rhyme "GMC" and "bankruptcy".

[Ripcat]

Lemmy Lemmy:

stemmer stemmer:

And no one writes songs about Hondas or Toyotas????

I do:

"Loaded up the Tundra, for the fishing trip
Made sure I had lots of booze and dope
and all that campin' shit
Headed for a place, that's called Shining Tree
It's about 3 hours, north of Sudbury
When we got our feet on solid ground
set up all the tarps and tents
then the rain came pouring down
WHAT THE FUCK? WHAT THE FUCK? WHAT THE FUCK?"

...it goes on some.

The part about how the Tundra was damaged pulling it out of a mud hole and the closest replacement parts had to come from Toronto at 3 times the cost of a similar stocked Chevy part in that closest town of 1500 people is especially sweet. The fact that the local mechanic doesn't have the special Toyota tool #34256453 to do the repair and will have to charge you for it is just gravy.

[stemmer]

There's a good reason why the small block Chevy is one of the most raced & hot rodded engines of all time... Performance, reliability, low cost....

[Lemmy]

Ripcat Ripcat:

The part about how the Tundra was damaged pulling it out of a mud hole and the closest replacement parts had to come from Toronto at 3 times the cost of a similar stocked Chevy part in that closest town of 1500 people is especially sweet. The fact that the local mechanic doesn't have the special Toyota tool #34256453 to do the repair and will have to charge you for it is just gravy.

It's pulled an Avalanche and a Jeep out of trouble, but never been in any itself, Stemmmer, errr, Ripcat.

[stemmer]

But Lemmy... I posted the pic of the Grand National with you in mind...LOL...

[Lemmy]

stemmer stemmer:

But Lemmy... I posted the pic of the Grand National with you in mind...LOL...

I thought you maybe did.

[stemmer]

Yeah...those grand Nats kick butt... That Buick V6 231 ci (3.8 litre) is near bulletproof and now used in GM cars like my 2000 Impala (not turbocharged of course)....


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buick_V6_engine

[Lemmy]

[quote="stemmer"]Yeah...those grand Nats kick butt... That Buick V6 231 ci (3.8 litre) is near bulletproof and now used in GM cars like my 2000 Impala (not turbocharged of course)....

It kicks extra butt with the manifold ripped and replaced with Hooker headers, and a bunch of other fairly minor bolt-ons.

[stemmer]

Very few car companies have produced automobiles icons like the Big Three, especially GM...

GM & Detroit always produced cars that were beyond mere transportation and were fun to drive...

Anyone see the advertisement during last nights Wings-Penguins game for the new GM? Was pretty cool IMHO...

[poquas]

stemmer stemmer:

Very few car companies have produced automobiles icons like the Big Three, especially GM...

They may have been icons in popular culture, but not worth the handwringing now that GM is bankrupt. This is a company that’s lacked any imagination and serious business savvy for a very long time.

stemmer stemmer:

GM & Detroit always produced cars that were beyond mere transportation and were fun to drive...

“Fun to drive” is a 60’s vintage MGB, Jag, or Porsche. Power and handling in one machine. NA manufacturer’s heyday came in the muscle car. A straight line, rubber burning, death trap. They didn’t figure out the handling characteristics are as important as the power until very recently when Chrysler re-introduced the hemi married to the Daimler inspired box to put it in. The Mustang’s 5 litre engine was interesting, but put in a POS box that barely contained the power and has a nasty habit of breaking into three distinct pieces whenever it hits something. GM’s V8 offerings in the Camero/Firebird, or Holden inspired crap were anaemic at best, obvious failed attempts. The new Camero may be better, but it has yet to prove itself and considering the GM failure, I doubt there will be many around for long.

stemmer stemmer:

Anyone see the advertisement during last nights Wings-Penguins game for the new GM? Was pretty cool IMHO...

Only you would be impressed by an advertisement from GM.

[stemmer]

Sorry the early 60's MGA did not have much in the way of hp and they did not handle all that well... A 1963-67 small block Corvette would lose a 1960's MGA or Porsche on the twistys as would a 302 Z28 Camaro... Look up who was winning the SCCA Trans-Am series in the 1960's...

[SprCForr]

"Power and MG"

Two things that didn't go together.



110 ft/lbs of real trouble!

[poquas]

stemmer stemmer:

Sorry the early 60's MGA did not have much in the way of hp and they did not handle all that well... A 1963-67 small block Corvette would lose a 1960's MGA or Porsche on the twistys as would a 302 Z28 Camaro... Look up who was winning the SCCA Trans-Am series in the 1960's...

Are you kidding me???

I'm referring to the "off the lot" type of vehicle, not a race car. An off the lot Corvette was much like all the other NA vehicles of the time. Unmodified, cornering was not their forte.

Like your comparison of today’s depreciation to a Barrett-Jackson auction vehicle, take that same departure in logic to compare what I mentioned to modified race vehicles…

[SprCForr]

poquas poquas:

They may have been icons in popular culture, but not worth the handwringing now that GM is bankrupt. This is a company that’s lacked any imagination and serious business savvy for a very long time.

The current situation doesn't affect the old Chevy desire/popularity. A good look at current car culture will find that the old Chevy's are still the "cock of the walk" and the specialty market share only reinforces that.

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“Fun to drive” is a 60’s vintage MGB, Jag, or Porsche. Power and handling in one machine. NA manufacturer’s heyday came in the muscle car. A straight line, rubber burning, death trap. They didn’t figure out the handling characteristics are as important as the power until very recently when Chrysler re-introduced the hemi married to the Daimler inspired box to put it in.

The "straightline" interest is the larger of the two major groups. It's connection with the street resonated more with the young North American and the builders wanted to mine that market. Jsgd snd Porsches and the like were and are out of their price range. I find your claim that handling wasn't important until the Daimler-Chrysler neo-Hemi marriage pretty ill informed.

FWIW, all cars from the 60's were death traps.

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The Mustang’s 5 litre engine was interesting, but put in a POS box that barely contained the power and has a nasty habit of breaking into three distinct pieces whenever it hits something.

The 5.0 is still a pushrod V8. It's a pretty pedestrian engine really and was never as popular as the SBC.

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GM’s V8 offerings in the Camero/Firebird, or Holden inspired crap were anaemic at best, obvious failed attempts.

You're going to have to be more specific than that. The different options GM had for Camaro/Firebird varied an awful lot.

$1:

The new Camero may be better, but it has yet to prove itself and considering the GM failure, I doubt there will be many around for long.

The ability to predict the trends of the car culture has eluded experts for years.

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Only you would be impressed by an advertisement from GM.

OK, this is getting back into the personal slagging part. He enjoyed the commercial, so what?