[andyt]

Can you please supply a link to back up this claim that boko haram is using the Koran as justification of their actions?

Also did you take in the quotes I gave where boko haram was condemned by Nigerian Islamic leaders. Are you able to take that in at all?

The girls appear to have been taken hostage, with boko haram willing to do a trade for prisoners.

Would all these actions be somehow OK with you if these were non-Muslims? The sex slavery that's done purely for profit, is that somehow better. Do those women reassure themselves that at least they weren't enslaved in the name of Islam?

How is it that you love to foam on when Muslims do something? When it's pointed out that the same thing happens all over the world by non-Muslims - meh?

[Zipperfish]

xerxes xerxes:

The Mormon breakaway sect led by Warren Jeffs.

Oh, BURN!

[Zipperfish]

Whether or not this is a Muslim thing or not is pretty immaterial to me. You can kill Muslims, but you can't kill Muslim. You can't kill an idea. Lord knows the Germans gave it a pretty solid go.

This group needs to be stopped due to its actions, not due to its thoughts.

[Jabberwalker]

Lord knows the Germans gave it a pretty solid go.


Yes, they've tried to kill off humour on several occasions.

[stratos]

OMG AndyT you really don't get what people say do you.

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Also did you take in the quotes I gave where boko haram was condemned by Nigerian Islamic leaders.

At not time did I say ALL Muslim groups. I actually said FRINGE Muslim groups.

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Would all these actions be somehow OK with you if these were non-Muslims? The sex slavery that's done purely for profit, is that somehow better. Do those women reassure themselves that at least they weren't enslaved in the name of Islam?

At no time did I say or imply that it was okay. What I did was point out that these groups, as far as I can find, have never used religion as justification.

You AndyT have serious issues of not reading what a person writes but either make up your own words or purposely implant your own ideas into what others say.

[stratos]

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This group needs to be stopped due to its actions, not due to its thoughts.

Absolutely agree with you

[andyt]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Whether or not this is a Muslim thing or not is pretty immaterial to me. You can kill Muslims, but you can't kill Muslim. You can't kill an idea. Lord knows the Germans gave it a pretty solid go.

This group needs to be stopped due to its actions, not due to its thoughts.

Exactly. So worrying about whether these guys use the Koran as justification for their actions, or whether you find two guys discussing whether the Koran says it's OK to have slaves (like the bible does) that you find on some internet chat is way beyond the point.

Try to take out this group by all means. But since it arose out of disenfranchisement and inequality and a corrupt govt, maybe worry about that if you really want to stamp this sort of thing out. If the common people were on board, and the army were doing its job, no way a group like this could get traction.

[stratos]

As for this

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Can you please supply a link to back up this claim that boko haram is using the Koran as justification of their actions?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/0 ... 87930.html

"Muslim leaders in various countries have criticized Boko Haram's leader for using Islamic teachings as his justification for threatening to sell the girls into slavery. "

Here we have Muslims condemning them for USEING Islam as justification.

https://www.worldwatchmonitor.org/2014/ ... 3594.html/

"Perhaps they are perceived as doing so. Barkindo et al take pains to reveal Boko Haram’s numerous justifications for violence specifically against Christian women and girls. According to the report, "reliable sources (in Bauchi State) seem to suggest that Boko Haram attackers believe Christian women are responsible for making their children hold Islam in disdain, as a religion that perpetrates terror." If women, indeed, are the key transmitters of values and beliefs, then the kidnappings, forced marriages and forced conversions of women and girls make strategic sense.

Another such rationale, explained by one abductee, is the twisted use of jizya,a reference to a tax that early Islamic rulers demanded from their non-Muslim subjects for their own protection. Consequently, the fact that this interviewee had been repeatedly raped was justified to her by some of her captors on the basis of ‘sex as jizya’."


Here we have people from the region giving testimony of their use of Islam as justification.


Please go on misreading what others write and making false claims such as this FRINGE Muslim group is NOT using Islam as justification for their actions. We all know you only read what you want, hear what you want, and believe what you want in your private world and any who do not agree with you will have you twist their words, make false statements about what they have or have not said, and or your great fall back of calling them names.

[martin14]

stratos stratos:

As for this

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Can you please supply a link to back up this claim that boko haram is using the Koran as justification of their actions?

Nice one.

I doubt our resident idiot even knows what Boko Haram means

When he figures it out, maybe he will stop asking such stupid shit,

although I doubt it.

[martin14]

No need to start a new thread...


http://edition.cnn.com/2014/05/08/world ... ted-girls/


310 people killed in latest Boko Haram attack; hundreds of girls remain missing

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And on Monday, Boko Haram militants attacked Gamboru Ngala, a remote state capital near Nigeria's border with Cameroon that has been used as a staging ground for troops in the search for the girls. Some of the at least 310 victims were burned alive.

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Witnesses described the Gamboru Ngala attack as a well-coordinated onslaught that began shortly after 1:30 p.m. Monday at a busy outdoor market in the town.

Wearing military uniforms, the militants arrived with three armored personnel carriers, villagers said.

The attackers shouted "Allahu Akbar" -- "God is great" -- and opened up on the market, firing rocket-propelled grenades into the crowd and tossing improvised explosive devices, witnesses said.

Some marketgoers tried to take shelter in shops only to be burned alive when the gunmen set fire to a number of the businesses, the witnesses said.

[stratos]

martin14 martin14:

stratos stratos:

As for this

$1:

Can you please supply a link to back up this claim that boko haram is using the Koran as justification of their actions?

Nice one.

I doubt our resident idiot even knows what Boko Haram means

When he figures it out, maybe he will stop asking such stupid shit,

although I doubt it.

No he wont, he is filled with such hate towards people that disagree with him on issues that he does not take time to actually read what they right. In his mind he already knows what we mean and what we have written so he posts from his infinite wisdom and judgment not in a response to what has been truly written and or meant.

[stratos]

martin14 martin14:

No need to start a new thread...


http://edition.cnn.com/2014/05/08/world ... ted-girls/


310 people killed in latest Boko Haram attack; hundreds of girls remain missing

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And on Monday, Boko Haram militants attacked Gamboru Ngala, a remote state capital near Nigeria's border with Cameroon that has been used as a staging ground for troops in the search for the girls. Some of the at least 310 victims were burned alive.

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Witnesses described the Gamboru Ngala attack as a well-coordinated onslaught that began shortly after 1:30 p.m. Monday at a busy outdoor market in the town.

Wearing military uniforms, the militants arrived with three armored personnel carriers, villagers said.

The attackers shouted "Allahu Akbar" -- "God is great" -- and opened up on the market, firing rocket-propelled grenades into the crowd and tossing improvised explosive devices, witnesses said.

Some marketgoers tried to take shelter in shops only to be burned alive when the gunmen set fire to a number of the businesses, the witnesses said.

The swear words I said when I read this can't be posted here. So GRRRRRR will have to do.

[Zipperfish]

Take your tightie rightie circle jerk to another thread please.

Back on topic...

A lot of parallels witht he Taliban. The Taliban would get a chuckle out of saying the most outrageous thing they could think of to say. These guys seem similar. Also, their tactics are similar--use of pickups and explosives in remote towns. You also have the weak, corrupt central government (which, in Afghanistan, ultimately fell to the Taliban) is also evident.

In Afghanistan, one of the few success stories was getting kids in general (and girls in particular) an education. The Taliban feared this above all. Enforced ignorance is an excellent means of control.

A good response would be the opening of several new schools in Nigeria.

[N_Fiddledog]

Hillary's State Department Refused to Brand Boko Haram as Terrorists

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The State Department under Hillary Clinton fought hard against placing the al Qaeda-linked militant group Boko Haram on its official list of foreign terrorist organizations for two years. And now, lawmakers and former U.S. officials are saying that the decision may have hampered the American government’s ability to confront the Nigerian group that shocked the world by abducting hundreds of innocent girls.

More Here

[BRAH]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Take your tightie rightie circle jerk to another thread please.

Back on topic...

A lot of parallels witht he Taliban. The Taliban would get a chuckle out of saying the most outrageous thing they could think of to say. These guys seem similar. Also, their tactics are similar--use of pickups and explosives in remote towns. You also have the weak, corrupt central government (which, in Afghanistan, ultimately fell to the Taliban) is also evident.

In Afghanistan, one of the few success stories was getting kids in general (and girls in particular) an education. The Taliban feared this above all. Enforced ignorance is an excellent means of control.

A good response would be the opening of several new schools in Nigeria.

Maybe Oprah can spare a few million bucks since it's one of her causes.

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Hillary's State Department Refused to Brand Boko Haram as Terrorists

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The State Department under Hillary Clinton fought hard against placing the al Qaeda-linked militant group Boko Haram on its official list of foreign terrorist organizations for two years. And now, lawmakers and former U.S. officials are saying that the decision may have hampered the American government’s ability to confront the Nigerian group that shocked the world by abducting hundreds of innocent girls.

More Here