[bambu]

stratos stratos:

$1:

100% guard-safe and inmate-safe prisons can be built.

This one sentence shows me just how little you know of jails and criminals.

They can be built...very easily.

Every inmate has their own cell, complete with shower, toilet, and tv.
Sheriff Joe makes the inmates ride an exercise bike to power the tv.

The cell's back door leads out onto the exercise yard.
Electronic, and also bolted from the outside.
Door opens, inmate goes outside and runs around...then comes back in, and door locks.

Safe as.


I haven't spent time in jail, nor do I associate with criminals, so my knowledge could be not as great as yours.
I could build you a guard-safe and inmate-safe prison though.

100% guarantee that no guards would be bashed senseless or to death in the prison workshop.
What prison workshop?
What tv lounge?
What visiting Johnny Cash concert?
No 'sisters of Shawshank' raping any inmates in the store room...they're never be any inmates in the store room.
etc

[stratos]

And how does the inmate get feed? What do you do if the inmate refuses to return to his/her cell when their time outside is over. How do you administer health care to the inmate. How do you do the laundry exchange let alone move the inmate to and from court, visits and religous services. There are a vast number of things that you have not even covered.

[stratos]

$1:

I choose to select the 6th Commandement "Thou shalt not kill".
You choose to select another part of the Bible.

And what does the bible say should be done with those who do kill? Not the accidental killing where they have a chance to run to a "safe" city.

[Brenda]

stratos stratos:

And how does the inmate get feed? What do you do if the inmate refuses to return to his/her cell when their time outside is over. How do you administer health care to the inmate. How do you do the laundry exchange let alone move the inmate to and from court, visits and religous services. There are a vast number of things that you have not even covered.

I was typing the exact same things you just pointed out, and decided to delete it. You can't teach the stupid...

I take it he thinks that being in prison means you spend your time in solitary confinement.

[stratos]

$1:

Wanna blame someone for the deaths of McDuff's post-release victims, then blame the state of Texas for not having life sentences no parole for inmates as an alternative to death sentences .

I prefer to blame McDuff for his killings and punish him according to the law. That was what was done. You on the other hand wish to blame others for his actions. So nice that you do not want to hold people accountable for their own actions. You must just love being able to say that you are not to blame for something that you did because society did not restrain you enough. Yet when society does go to punish you, you will whine and cry about how unfair it is. This is how you have presented your arguments.

[stratos]

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I take it he thinks that being in prison means you spend your time in solitary confinement.

I would prefer to if I ever did go to jail. I also know exactly how to get myself put into solitary. Thing is that one can not go directly to solitary nor can you house the whole inmate population in solitary. That has been ruled as crule and unusual punishment. To be placed into solitary one has to be deemed a threat to ones self or others. Even then the time is limited that you can be housed like that unless cause can be shown that being put back into general population is a risk to the inmate or others.

[stratos]

$1:

I haven't spent time in jail, nor do I associate with criminals, so my knowledge could be not as great as yours.

Then you should not try to pass yourself off as knowlageable on the matter of inmate housing and how it is done. As for me I worked as a Corrections Officer for 8 1/2 years. So yes I would put my knowlage and experiance well above yours.

[stratos]

$1:

You can't teach the stupid...

No but you can muffle it with duct type.

[stratos]

OKAY there is seriously something strange going on. Brenda and Bart a couple weeks ago agreed on something now Brneda and I are agreeing on something.

Next we will have Bart dressed in drag in a gay pride parade, Me in a pro abortion march wearing what ever color outfit that goes along with it, and Brenda dressed up as a neo Nazi carrying a gun and saying sieg hiel.

Yeah like any of those things are going to happen in our life times.

But if Bart does do that someone please take a picture and post it.

The above it not ment to be offensive or a snide remark on anyone... well maybe a snide remark on myself but hey I can do that

[bambu]

stratos stratos:

And how does the inmate get feed? What do you do if the inmate refuses to return to his/her cell when their time outside is over. How do you administer health care to the inmate. How do you do the laundry exchange let alone move the inmate to and from court, visits and religous services. There are a vast number of things that you have not even covered.

Shoot him with rubber/bean bag bullets...or just leave him out in the yard until he gets hungry, thirsty, hot, cold etc.
If he still won't go in, SWAT team makes him go in...then he must serve an exercise yard suspension.
Fed thru a push/pull system in the wall...ditto laundry.
Religious services...via tv in the wall.
Visits...in the exercise yard...separate dog pen-type runs for each inmate.
Look at all that vacant land in America...squillions of sq miles of it...plenty of room for large and expansive prisons.

Healthcare?
Prisoner has to be let out of cell?

SWAT team opens the cell door and chains/shackles the inmate for moving.

These of course are inmates who would've been given the death chamber treatment instead.
Prison farms for very low risk "mummy's boy" non-violent convicteds...and working up to maximum security and supermax, guard/inmate proof for the worst of the worst.

From what I've seen in videos from the UK ... "Torture in American Prisons"....it might not be such a bad thing for some guards to be not given protection.

Spraying the inmates with gas, causing second degree burns is one of my particular "favourites".

[bambu]

stratos stratos:

$1:

I choose to select the 6th Commandement "Thou shalt not kill".
You choose to select another part of the Bible.

And what does the bible say should be done with those who do kill? Not the accidental killing where they have a chance to run to a "safe" city.

They should be killed?

Says much the same about homosexuals?...or that they are evil and will be going to hell?
The Westboro Baptists are always quoting the Bible as they rail against gay people.
They spewed forth hatred of Heath Ledger after he died...and said on my radio that they were coming to Australia to picket his funeral.
Someone probably told them that that would be a very bad idea...as they didn't arrive.

The Bible was written long ago...today we live in more enlightened times.

[stratos]

$1:

Says much the same about homosexuals?...or that they are evil and will be going to hell?

Wrong the bible does not condem homosexuals to death. Mark that as a fail for you and your use of the bible to back you up.

[bambu]

Brenda Brenda:

stratos stratos:

And how does the inmate get feed? What do you do if the inmate refuses to return to his/her cell when their time outside is over. How do you administer health care to the inmate. How do you do the laundry exchange let alone move the inmate to and from court, visits and religous services. There are a vast number of things that you have not even covered.

I was typing the exact same things you just pointed out, and decided to delete it. You can't teach the stupid...

I take it he thinks that being in prison means you spend your time in solitary confinement.

The worst of the worst should be.

If they're not, then guards and other inmates are always going to be at some risk.
One day Texas will be stopped from execution-homiciding human beings...so they might as well 'enjoy' their system while they have it.
The day of abolition draws ever closer.

[bambu]

stratos stratos:

$1:

Wanna blame someone for the deaths of McDuff's post-release victims, then blame the state of Texas for not having life sentences no parole for inmates as an alternative to death sentences .

I prefer to blame McDuff for his killings and punish him according to the law. That was what was done. You on the other hand wish to blame others for his actions. So nice that you do not want to hold people accountable for their own actions. You must just love being able to say that you are not to blame for something that you did because society did not restrain you enough. Yet when society does go to punish you, you will whine and cry about how unfair it is. This is how you have presented your arguments.

Of course he should've been punished for his actions...but not execution-homicided.

Texas law is an ass [if it includes death chambers, which it does].

Same as Indonesian law.

You and I are different, you're quite happy for states to have death chambers and kill people in them in cold blood...I am not.
"The law is the law" you say.

"The law is an ass" [if its sentences are unreasonable and include death chambers] I say.

[stratos]

wow you really don't know crap about the legal system in the USA yet want to pontificat upon it as if you have some great knowlage.