[Brenda]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Brenda Brenda:

R=UP

Interesting.

I wonder why society has chosen to absolve responsibility from drunken choices from only one sex. Switch roles here for a moment.

Drunk guy in tight jeans on the couch, a few empty cans of beer on the floor. Women decides to have sex with the guy.

Would anyone be raising a red flag say drunk sex is not consensual sex? Not a hope.

Or....drunk guy and drunk girl have drunk sex. Guy and girl wake up the next morning and feel good about it - consensual.

Drunk guy and drunk girl have drunk sex. Guy wakes up and feels good about it. Girl wakes up and does not. Potential for rape.

Drunk guy and drunk girl have drunk sex. Guy wakes up and feels bad about it. Girl wakes up and does not - oh well.

In other words, a woman appears to get a by for a dumb drunken decision to have sex whereas a guy would not. Double standard.

Don't be that girl campaign? Laughable. Shouldn't be though.

Seriously? You are playing that card on me?

I think you know my stance on this. And if not, educate yourself.

[Gunnair]

Brenda Brenda:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Brenda Brenda:

R=UP

Interesting.

I wonder why society has chosen to absolve responsibility from drunken choices from only one sex. Switch roles here for a moment.

Drunk guy in tight jeans on the couch, a few empty cans of beer on the floor. Women decides to have sex with the guy.

Would anyone be raising a red flag say drunk sex is not consensual sex? Not a hope.

Or....drunk guy and drunk girl have drunk sex. Guy and girl wake up the next morning and feel good about it - consensual.

Drunk guy and drunk girl have drunk sex. Guy wakes up and feels good about it. Girl wakes up and does not. Potential for rape.

Drunk guy and drunk girl have drunk sex. Guy wakes up and feels bad about it. Girl wakes up and does not - oh well.

In other words, a woman appears to get a by for a dumb drunken decision to have sex whereas a guy would not. Double standard.

Don't be that girl campaign? Laughable. Shouldn't be though.

Seriously? You are playing that card on me?

I think you know my stance on this. And if not, educate yourself.

(Also, maybe it is a good idea if you quote WHY I gave the thumbs up, so I don't have to scroll through the whole thread to find what exactly it was.)

Have your coffee first.

There is no card being played here. I pose a question of why society has two standards here on how it views the genders having drunken sex and then regretting it the next morning. For a women, regrettable drunken sex moves quickly into the realm of non consensual sex whereas for a man, there is no such movement.

The woman who makes a poor drunken decision and regrets it is absolved. The man who makes a poor drunken decision is not.

Now why is that?

Really, if you're simply going to get all emotive here and not discuss this rationally, then pause and consider not responding, Brenda.

[Brenda]

I have made my stance pretty clear about this and I do not see any reason why I should do that again.

You didn't simply 'pose' a question. If you had 'simply posed a question' you would have done so to the poster of the article/post that I agreed with.

Please.

[Gunnair]

Brenda Brenda:

I have made my stance pretty clear about this and I do not see any reason why I should do that again.

You didn't simply 'pose' a question. If you had 'simply posed a question' you would have done so to the poster of the article/post that I agreed with.

Please.

Right. Moving on....

[andyt]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Interesting.

I wonder why society has chosen to absolve responsibility from drunken choices from only one sex. Switch roles here for a moment.

Drunk guy in tight jeans on the couch, a few empty cans of beer on the floor. Women decides to have sex with the guy.

Would anyone be raising a red flag say drunk sex is not consensual sex? Not a hope.

Or....drunk guy and drunk girl have drunk sex. Guy and girl wake up the next morning and feel good about it - consensual.

Drunk guy and drunk girl have drunk sex. Guy wakes up and feels good about it. Girl wakes up and does not. Potential for rape.

Drunk guy and drunk girl have drunk sex. Guy wakes up and feels bad about it. Girl wakes up and does not - oh well.

In other words, a woman appears to get a by for a dumb drunken decision to have sex whereas a guy would not. Double standard.

Don't be that girl campaign? Laughable. Shouldn't be though.

There is a double standard but it's not as bad as you seem. For it to be deemed rape, the woman has to be so incapacitated that she can't give consent. A few drinks wouldn't cut it. With men, the theory is that if they're so drunk as to not be in control of themselves (ie they force the woman) they are too drunk to get it up. (I'm not sure that's true, as I've been so drunk that I couldn't remember much of the night, but was assured that rather vigorous sexual activity took place.) But I guess it's all in the grey areas, and reactions like we've seen in this case will push us toward giving women too much leeway in claiming she was too drunk.

So I'm not sure what happened in this case. Was she drunk but still able to give consent? Were the boys any less drunk than she was? I'm not sure anybody knows. The cops investigated and couldn't find a crime. I see no obvious reason why they would give these guys a pass, so I'm going assume they have as much information as is possible, and it just doesn't lead to charges.

[ShepherdsDog]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Brenda Brenda:

I have made my stance pretty clear about this and I do not see any reason why I should do that again.

You didn't simply 'pose' a question. If you had 'simply posed a question' you would have done so to the poster of the article/post that I agreed with.

Please.

Right. Moving on....

Try to be understanding. She's having a bad hair day

[Benn]

andyt andyt:

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So I'm not sure what happened in this case. Was she drunk but still able to give consent? Were the boys any less drunk than she was? I'm not sure anybody knows.

Yeah this thread seems to be creating evidence (assumptions) I never read about. I'd like to read where people are getting the idea she was conscious during the assault.

Awake or not she might have shown bad judgment drinking herself to venerability like that (awake or not) but if she is to be blamed for that then her assaulters should also be blamed for drinking themselves into criminals. In the end they all should have been smarter, maybe.

However blaming her for putting herself in that position is similar to saying a woman deserved to get raped for dressing slutty and walking through a dark alley in the wrong end of town. Should her rapists get off because she was kinda stupid?

If a guy used an ATM in the worst part of town while a gang of youths stood next to the ATM and then got robbed on the way out should the robber get off?

What is boils down to in all those situations is that everyone likely made bad choices but only one arty in each situation committed a crime.

[andyt]

If the guys were as out of it as she was, why do they deserve blame more than her? (Not saying this was the case, as actual facts seem few and far between.)

The police investigated this. Police have never had a problem charging a man for having sex with a woman who was so drunk she couldn't give consent. Yet in this case they determined that chances of a conviction were unlikely. Why does everybody seem to know better than that police what happened here?

[Gunnair]

Benn Benn:

andyt andyt:

[
So I'm not sure what happened in this case. Was she drunk but still able to give consent? Were the boys any less drunk than she was? I'm not sure anybody knows.

Yeah this thread seems to be creating evidence (assumptions) I never read about. I'd like to read where people are getting the idea she was conscious during the assault.

Awake or not she might have shown bad judgment drinking herself to venerability like that (awake or not) but if she is to be blamed for that then her assaulters should also be blamed for drinking themselves into criminals. In the end they all should have been smarter, maybe.

However blaming her for putting herself in that position is similar to saying a woman deserved to get raped for dressing slutty and walking through a dark alley in the wrong end of town. Should her rapists get off because she was kinda stupid?

If a guy used an ATM in the worst part of town while a gang of youths stood next to the ATM and then got robbed on the way out should the robber get off?

What is boils down to in all those situations is that everyone likely made bad choices but only one arty in each situation committed a crime.

Speaking of creating evidence, did yo have some that stated she was unconscious during the assult?

As for blaming the victim, I don't think that is happening. On a purely philosophical level, drunken consent appears to be non consent only if the woman regrets it the next morning. If the man regrets it, is it un consensual sex that may result in an assault charge?

If the women does not regret it in the morning, is drunken consent still consent? The thought process would suggest no. So, are sexual assault charges still justified?

Come now. If the woman is drunk and passed out clearly there is no consent. The problem is that drunk consent can be given when drunk then removed after the fact when sober and only for one gender. That's what the more philosophical question is about.

For this particular case, as Andy has stated, the photographic evidence clearly was not enough for charges, either assault or for child porn. Otherwise, charges would have been laid!

[Regina]

Sounds like charges would have been made if there was reasonable certainty that they could get a guilty verdict. There is now new evidence that may change that. At the very least how does transmitting nudes of a minor, not result in charges?

[andyt]

People want to believe women. When a friend's gf came in as we were sitting around having some beers saying she'd just been raped, my first impulse was to grab the biggest club I could find and go kill the motherfuckers. I'm not a fighter or very agressive, but this was way down primal.

Turns out she was disturbed and just wanted some attention. Taught me a lesson.

[Gunnair]

Regina Regina:

Sounds like charges would have been made if there was reasonable certainty that they could get a guilty verdict. There is now new evidence that may change that. At the very least how does transmitting nudes of a minor, not result in charges?

One would think. Maybe the pictures weren't explicit enough for charges.

[Thanos]

Bump.

And the local morons have been merrily outing themselves on Facebook, yet the RCMP couldn't find any names.

Ugh. It's like the Alabama of the north or something equally icky.



Support Da Boys but hide your face? Talk about heroes or wut?

[Unsound]

Thanos Thanos:

Support Da Boys but hide your face? Talk about heroes or wut?

With all the rage on the internet, would you identify yourself as a supporter of the boys?

[Thanos]

They seemed pretty tough on Facebook though.

PS: fuck you too.