[BeaverFever]

Well when organic produce first became popular, the use of the word 'organic' was not regulated so big biz small shady operators alike started putting the word 'organic' on regular products and charging twice the price for it. But eventually "Certified organic" became a thing consumers could count on in the 2000's, from what I understand.

[EyeBrock]

Organic and wind-power, same shit-different name. I think history will not be kind to some of the concepts well-meaning people embrace right now.

You guys have been taken for a ride. Concentrating on a couple of dead horses and windmills.

[ShepherdsDog]

Food labelled organic is a scam to part the well intentioned fool from their money

[Unsound]

When I see "organic", I think "old-fashioned and inefficient".

[Zipperfish]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Simple.

These animals are used to entertain people.

Animals, like cows, are sent to the slaughterhouse as a food source.

Dying to entertain people or dying to feed people.

Big difference.

Yeah,. I just don't see the importance of that distinction myself. It's not like the horses are dying for entertainment, in the sense of teh Roman / medieval circuses when they'd pit animals against each other. More of inevitable outcome of a dicey proposition.

And it's not like we need meat--at least the amount we harvest. About a third to a half of food back home gets thrown away. So, to my mind at least, there's no argument of necessity.

But I'll admit that watching a horse get shot (actually you don't see it; two guys hold up a big tarp) turned me off the chuckwagon races. We did go the enxt year, but didn't enjoy it that much and haven't been back since. Oh well, an extra couple of hours at the casino.

[Zipperfish]

andyt andyt:

Yogi Yogi:

VEGANS and other fish eaters are the worst

Eh?

"And if you play the tape backwards, your honour, you can see that the officers are actually trying to help Mr. King up."

[Zipperfish]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Well when organic produce first became popular, the use of the word 'organic' was not regulated so big biz small shady operators alike started putting the word 'organic' on regular products and charging twice the price for it. But eventually "Certified organic" became a thing consumers could count on in the 2000's, from what I understand.

The term was being abused, but make no mistake of the role the supermarkets nad large food procuers had in this. They did not want to see organic produce in the saupermarkets. As well as not wanting the competition, they didn't want consumers thinking about where their food came from because that would lead to all kinds of potentially non-profitable ends.

Safeway was particuarly zealous about pulling anything off the shelves that claimed "organic" ingredients. They claimed they couldn't verify the food was organic. Like they pull all the stuff off the shelves that really isn't "new and improved" right?

[Zipperfish]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

raydan raydan:

During the Iditarod, an average of 3 dogs die every year. I don't remember ever hearing the owners crying their losses.

Depends on the individual owner. Some love their dogs, while others see them merely as a tool to be used.

Up north, it's common to just throw the food to the sled dogs over the dog compound fence. The runts of the litter starve.

[Zipperfish]

Unsound Unsound:

When I see "organic", I think "old-fashioned and inefficient".

Can't say I agree. When I look at a spider working its art, there's no way "inefficient" comes to mind.

It creates a thread that is both stronger and tougher than steel, and makes it at atmospheric temperatures and pressures. And when the spider is finished with it, it can eat it.

[herbie]

and it will taste every bit as good as most organic breakfast cereal too!

[EyeBrock]

herbie herbie:

and it will taste every bit as good as most organic breakfast cereal too!

Or a Samsung windmill....yum.

[andyt]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Unsound Unsound:

When I see "organic", I think "old-fashioned and inefficient".

Can't say I agree. When I look at a spider working its art, there's no way "inefficient" comes to mind.

spider web, caffeine:

spider web, marijuana:

spider web, LSD:

[ShepherdsDog]

Doesn't look like either LSD or peyote has any impact on their neuro-chemistry, but caffeine and sleeping pills seriously screw them up. Chemicals dont always work the same on different species. Look at a chemical they use as a repellent for geese, Methyl Anthranilate....Humans consume it quite easily. It's the flavouring used in grape soda.

how drugs affect the weaving of webs

if anything the psychedelic drugs seemed to have improved the web and its regularity and effectiveness.

[Unsound]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Unsound Unsound:

When I see "organic", I think "old-fashioned and inefficient".

Can't say I agree. When I look at a spider working its art, there's no way "inefficient" comes to mind.

It creates a thread that is both stronger and tougher than steel, and makes it at atmospheric temperatures and pressures. And when the spider is finished with it, it can eat it.

Not quite sure I see the connection between a spider web and the labour intensive raising of cucumbers and tomotoes without any of the advantages of the last century's technology advances.

[Scape]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Scape Scape:

I'm with OTI 110% here.

$1:

Difference is, cows are killed in the most humane way possible and used for human consumption.

These horses are used strictly for entertaining people in an archaic event that typically leaves one lying trampled to death on the ground and others with injuries so bad, they're killed.

That being said, and I love my dogs, I find myself ambivalent to the whole exercise. Considering this at least gives horses a purpose whereas without one they would be food or worse not exist in the 1st place.

So a few die... they die doing something they were born to do. Kinda like gladiators. Frankly, they are beasts it's not like they have a shot at something better anyway.

Gladiators? That's a bit of a stretch. Thoughts on dog fighting then?

Missed this.
Is the stampede the same as what happened with Michal Vic basement? I guess. The only more equivalency here is that one is culturally acceptable. Like the seal hunt for example.

I'm all for the clubbing of furry rats that are called seals, just because they are cute doesn't mean they are not a pest that require a cull. However, there is the same stigma to the clubbing of seals as there is to dog fights and cock fights. That never carried over to the stampede because it has been state sponsored and above board. Also, unlike the running of the bulls in Spain it's not seen as just a lark but as a cavalcade for an industry just like the price is right is a showcase for consumerism the stampede is showcasing the livestock industry so it has a purpose.

When it comes down to it, it's just business. Nothing more. Dog fighting isn't supporting an industry, the stampede is.