[OnTheIce]

sandorski sandorski:

Can you offer any proof this is a bogus Video? You went from Suggesting it could be to Claiming it is in a few Posts.

Can you offer any proof that it's authentic?

It's just my suspicions.

[sandorski]

The problem with the Boycott idea is that no one generally knew of the shit about to go down before the 2008 Crash and that crash was so bad that Consumers had no real say in the Bail out that they inevitably ended up paying for.

Given that, it seems they demand accountability amongst those responsible and so far there has been practically nothing of the sort. The opposite in fact, where people were being rewarded with the very $ given to them to save their Corps/Industry.

[sandorski]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

sandorski sandorski:

Can you offer any proof this is a bogus Video? You went from Suggesting it could be to Claiming it is in a few Posts.

Can you offer any proof that it's authentic?

It's just my suspicions.

I can't, but neither can you.

[Macguyver]

The US Has

• $15,000,000,000,000 public debt (15 trillion)
• $133,000 debt per taxpayer
• 1 million forclosures in 2011
• Of 2 trillion in revenue:
o $1 trillion comes from income tax,
o $800 million comes from payroll tax and
o $200 million from corporate tax.
• The interest on that debt is $220 Billion dollars/year

So tell me again, since I’m an advocate for the rich and the corporations paying more of their fair share, how not getting a McBurger from McDinks helps pay off the $15 trillion in debt?

The system works best when people have good jobs and money to spend.

The system does not work when the rich have all the money and the people can’t afford to buy houses or TV’s or cars or eat out every so often. If you thing capitalism is the ultimate system, then you have to abide by the rules of capitalism.

The system is not sustainable. Now the 99 out of 100 of us who are not lucky enough to be ultra –rich can suck it up and get less service, pay more taxes and be slaves to the 1% who have more money than they could ever imagine to spend in a lifetime...or the 99 out of 100 of us can take back our democracy and let those 1% foot their share (or more).

Why do you care so much that the rich’s of those 1% are protected? Where do you think the presidential hopefuls get the billion dollars each that they need to run an election campaign? Who do you think influences our leaders – you with your one vote, or those 1% with their millions?

If you are happy being a slave and accepting your lot in life than good for you. Me, I think there is no need for someone to make $10m a year and have to pay $1.5 million in tax when I make $100k a year and pay over $30,000 in tax. That $15K to me is alot more money relatively than that $1.5M is to the guy making $10M per year. So you take home $7M instead of $8.5M – how many less yachts is the millionaire going to buy?

You take $1.5 Million from the 300K in the top .1% you have $300B. You take $1.5M from the top 1% (average not each) and you get $3 TRILLION.

Or we’ll just keep taking more from you. Those are your choices. If you want another punch in the gut, then feel free to pay more. I’m sick of paying and I can never understand why you are so willing to let the ultra rich take a free pass.

[Tricks]

Gunnair Gunnair:

andyt andyt:

Not well said at all. Just more of "the peasants aren't bad off because they still have enough to eat" crap. You guys really have no problem with ever increasing income/wealth inequality and what that does to social cohesion?

And then, nice conflation of the consumer and the occupy movement. The idea for Occupy came from the Adbusters guy - ie it is an anti consumption movement. The people who PA described are the ones that Brenda said just want to get home after work, ie the ones with their heads down and not paying attention.

I agree with demonstrating in front of corporations. But that's why it's called occupy Wall Street - that was their original destination until prevented by police. And there's already been plenty of tightie rightie bleating on this forum about how the protesters are impacting the enconomy. It they really followed PA's advice, I'm sure he'd be setting his hair on fire about that. It seems these poor guys can't win - whatever they do, the tighties say they would only have cred if they did the opposite.

Holy fuck, what part of punish the corporations by boycotting their products and cutting into their profit margin to show how much you dislike their questionable business practices can't you get through your fucking skull?

Anything over two syllables he struggles with.

[BartSimpson]

Macguyver Macguyver:

Me, I think there is no need for someone to make $10m a year and have to pay $1.5 million in tax when I make $100k a year and pay over $30,000 in tax.

Your problems here consist primarily of resentment and envy.

See, I used to be one of those folks who was partially disabled and not making a lot of money and I could have whined about it and blamed the people who were doing well in life or I could invest in myself and do better.

I chose the latter.

Now I am no longer considered disabled even though my left knee sets off metal detectors at airports, and I'm not longer ekeing out a meager living.

My home is paid off, I have no debts, we're well past seven figures in assets, and I'm on track to make $250,000 this year.

There's no reason in the world why you can't do the same or better. Just apply yourself instead of blaming successful people for magically affecting your failures and then focus on your success. It's amazing what you can do when you set yourself to the task.

Edit: Ironically, I have crappy credit because I don't owe any money to some vampiric bank or credit card company. That whole 'credit score' thing is a scam, IMHO, that's just gamed to encourage people to buy crap they don't need and to do so using credit that enriches the banks. Don't play their game! Save your money and pay cash for what you want! And when you need to buy a home with a mortgage just put 30% down and watch the banks fall all over themselves trying to lend to you.

[Macguyver]

I'll never understand the delusional people who want to pay more while the rich pay less. $250K does not impress me. Your "seven figures" does not make you elite. No one is trying to take your money and make you pay more except your government and those 1% who don't pay their fair share. You're at the top of the tax bracket and paying more tax than anyone.

The system is unsustainable. How is it that you cannot see that? I know you're not a fucking idiot, but how can you explain that you advocate for paying more when those making far, far more than your little pot of brass, pay much less than you?

Sorry, you're not even near the 1% that are on the gravy train bought and paid for by the 99% of us.

[Smacle]

Speaking of gravy trains...

I live in Nanaimo where it has some of the highest unemployment in the country sitting at 12.3%. I just moved here for school and started looking for a job. There are soooo many jobs here. You know what the problem is? EI and Welfare are waaayy too easy to get. I was at a party my first week here where there was a guy bragging about "living the dream" because he doesn't have to do anything except send a couple resumes and then not answer his phone.. That's his work week. Meanwhile he's going out every weekend drinking his money away. He isn't going to school or doing anything productive at all. He is able bodied and has every opportunity to get a steady job or even go to school.

So who's on the gravy train? The guy who pays 1.5m in taxes or the guy who lives on EI then welfare, then moves back into his moms basement once it all dries up?

[Gunnair]

sandorski sandorski:

The problem with the Boycott idea is that no one generally knew of the shit about to go down before the 2008 Crash and that crash was so bad that Consumers had no real say in the Bail out that they inevitably ended up paying for.

Given that, it seems they demand accountability amongst those responsible and so far there has been practically nothing of the sort. The opposite in fact, where people were being rewarded with the very $ given to them to save their Corps/Industry.

Fair enough, however, we know now who those were - Dodge and Chevy won't be getting my business anytime soon, for example. They needed a bailout because of poor business practices.

As far as the big corporate bonuses, I'm curious how many Canadian CEOs got big bonuses from bailout cash?

[ShepherdsDog]

What a fucked up corporate society we have when CEOs get bonuses for running their companies into the ground, and cost thousands of employees to lose their jobs and pensions. Now occupying their homes is something I would agree to...that and jailing them.

[eureka]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

andyt andyt:

Not well said at all. Just more of "the peasants aren't bad off because they still have enough to eat" crap. You guys really have no problem with ever increasing income/wealth inequality and what that does to social cohesion?

And then, nice conflation of the consumer and the occupy movement. The idea for Occupy came from the Adbusters guy - ie it is an anti consumption movement. The people who PA described are the ones that Brenda said just want to get home after work, ie the ones with their heads down and not paying attention.

I agree with demonstrating in front of corporations. But that's why it's called occupy Wall Street - that was their original destination until prevented by police. And there's already been plenty of tightie rightie bleating on this forum about how the protesters are impacting the enconomy. It they really followed PA's advice, I'm sure he'd be setting his hair on fire about that. It seems these poor guys can't win - whatever they do, the tighties say they would only have cred if they did the opposite.

Nice loony left philosophy. It's everybody else's fault but my own.
Are you going to sit there and tell me not one, not one single protestor was standing there with a Timmy's coffee at some point? Or that not one of them ate a fast food sandwich since this movement started?

You can be sure that they were not popping down to the King Edward for High Tea!

[eureka]

"There's no reason in the world why you can't do the same or better. Just apply yourself instead of blaming successful people for magically affecting your failures and then focus on your success. It's amazing what you can do when you set yourself to the task. "

The Horatio Alger story has always been part of the American mythology, Bart. It has served the purveyors of the myth well in fooling enough of the people that they can go on robbing them blind and enjoying their status in the 1%.

Unfortunately, very few can be lucky enough to do what you have done. Your position as outlined gives you about ten times as much as the lowest quintile. It would require a sudden increase in American National income and wealth of several trillion dollars for that to happen. Without regard to how it could be done and that would require a vast number of people competing for the limited number of opportunities to make that wealth and income.

[Caelon]

eureka eureka:

"There's no reason in the world why you can't do the same or better. Just apply yourself instead of blaming successful people for magically affecting your failures and then focus on your success. It's amazing what you can do when you set yourself to the task. "

The Horatio Alger story has always been part of the American mythology, Bart. It has served the purveyors of the myth well in fooling enough of the people that they can go on robbing them blind and enjoying their status in the 1%.

Unfortunately, very few can be lucky enough to do what you have done. Your position as outlined gives you about ten times as much as the lowest quintile. It would require a sudden increase in American National income and wealth of several trillion dollars for that to happen. Without regard to how it could be done and that would require a vast number of people competing for the limited number of opportunities to make that wealth and income.

You really do not get it do you? Everyone can make their situation better if they try in realistic terms. Budget! Budget! Budget! Even people on low incomes of $12/hour can save. Pay yourself first (savings plan)and live within your means (the balance). If that means living on 3 ounces of meat per day (recommended amount anyways) then do so. Don't buy fast food, don't smoke, don't go to the bar. In short make do like your grandparents and you will accumulate wealth over time. They did.

[Brenda]

Caelon Caelon:

You really do not get it do you? Everyone can make their situation better if they try in realistic terms. Budget! Budget! Budget! Even people on low incomes of $12/hour can save. Pay yourself first (savings plan)and live within your means (the balance). If that means living on 3 ounces of meat per day (recommended amount anyways) then do so. Don't buy fast food, don't smoke, don't go to the bar. In short make do like your grandparents and you will accumulate wealth over time. They did.

When you're single, no kids, yes. When you have more mouths to feed than just your own, not so much.

[Caelon]

Brenda Brenda:

Caelon Caelon:

You really do not get it do you? Everyone can make their situation better if they try in realistic terms. Budget! Budget! Budget! Even people on low incomes of $12/hour can save. Pay yourself first (savings plan)and live within your means (the balance). If that means living on 3 ounces of meat per day (recommended amount anyways) then do so. Don't buy fast food, don't smoke, don't go to the bar. In short make do like your grandparents and you will accumulate wealth over time. They did.

When you're single, no kids, yes. When you have more mouths to feed than just your own, not so much.

I am not saying it is easy, but it is still possible. I see it everyday where families that understand the concept of paying yourself first or have a savings ethic make it happen (more in immigrant families than Canadian born). We all make choices and for some a certain lifestyle or standard is more important than saving for future benefit. For others savings is the most important thing and they will make compromises the first group is unwilling to do. For example I know one family who manage to save because they get their clothes from a second hand store, clip coupons and buy the cheapest food possible. They are healthy, but by no means are there any frivolous expense items. Not everyone is willing to be that strict, but it does show that it is possible to save for the future on an income level that most of the population would think was poverty.