[andyt]

martin14 martin14:

andyt andyt:

What drugs were those?

Guess he sacrificed himself for her. Somebody brought up the Latimer case. I'm fully sympathetic to Latimer, but not this guy. I do believe he needs to be convicted. Of first degree murder really. At the same time, it would be nice if the judge had some leeway in sentencing. But that doesn't really fit with the Cons policy of having mandatory minimums for everything. Yet it bet it's Con symps who mostly defend this guy.

And after reading the last 8 pages, you may start to understand why.

See, some people post a rather vehement defense of the drug dealer, making him the most
important guy, rather than a 16 yr old girl being led astray with drugs, or a caring parent.


Kind of a sickening read.

He's the most important, because he's the one that was murdered. Do you support open season on all drug dealers?

[ShepherdsDog]

[GreenTiger]

Choban Choban:

$1:

If you go vising somebody with a loaded handgun with 2 clips in reserve you are not going there to play chess.

No but going to try to get your daughter away from a known drug dealer warrents some form of protection I'm sure.
I do remember when this firsat happened, there was allot of praise for this guy. Also his daughter now says she hasn't used drugs since that day so if nothing eles he'll have peace of mind in prison that his little girl won't end up a crack whore

Good point, I must have had a PC Mental Fart(I thought I was too right wing to get one of those). Looking at it from that point of view I would bring a Kabar Knife for his circumcision and a blow torch to clean up the mess afterwards.

He may be in jail, but there is one less creep in his daughters life.

[ShepherdsDog]

It was a sacrifice play. He gave up his future to try and save his daughter's future.....and hopefully the lives of others touched by this evil.

[Curtman]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

It was a sacrifice play. He gave up his future to try and save his daughter's future.....and hopefully the lives of others touched by this evil.

Do you think his daughter's future is brighter now? I don't. She's still a drug addict, and now she has no father.

[PostFactum]

Curtman Curtman:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

It was a sacrifice play. He gave up his future to try and save his daughter's future.....and hopefully the lives of others touched by this evil.

Do you think his daughter's future is brighter now? I don't. She's still a drug addict, and now she has no father.

Junkies don't need family, friends, sometimes even food, because of their illness they are are out of word human, even animals have higher life priorities than they, drugs are all they need.

[ShepherdsDog]

Perhaps she'll get the help she needs now. One thing is for certain. The dead pusher won't be hooking anyone else up.

[Gunnair]

Thanos Thanos:

Hmmm. That's kind of a low blow.

Maybe. Go back and reread your posts about Jack or the attempts by some for level headed discussions about legalizing prostitution, then watch some Glenn Beck reruns. Maybe you won't think so.

[Curtman]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Perhaps she'll get the help she needs now. One thing is for certain. The dead pusher won't be hooking anyone else up.

Who's going to see that she get help? Why would she even want it? There's a hundred pusher's waiting to take his spot. Maybe she'll end up in Vancouver where she can find help at insite. There is nobody to help her, just swarms of drug dealers who want her to keep coming back.

[Gunnair]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Perhaps she'll get the help she needs now. One thing is for certain. The dead pusher won't be hooking anyone else up.

True. Again, the girl is still on drugs and now she's likely even more fucked up after watching her father murder someone before her eyes. Different if the guy was raping her or something, but he wasn't. She obviously had some kind of affection for the guy (no matter how fucked up the relationship was) and the way to fix it? Not reason with her, not show her the error of her ways... no, put ten bullets into the punk and make a mess of the room.

Yeah, she'll come away from that in the right frame of mind.

[Brenda]

She's 24 now. This all didn't happen yesterday...

[Curtman]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Again, no argument here. Mine was the legality of their relationship and the fact that this guy did not deserve to be gunned down because some asshole was a bad parent. He failed to keep her off drugs. He failed to help her get off drugs. He failed to convince his daughter to leave this guy and he failed to even prevent her from going back when she got out of the hospital.

When I read this comment, I asked my friend K to join the conversation. She wont, but says its okay if I talk about her story. She was 11 years old when her cousin (the dealer) and his friends thought it would be funny to give her some cocaine. When I met her (at 15), she dressed completely in black clothes and wrote poetry about suicide, that she carried around with her in a black spiral notebook, and read to anybody who would listen. Her parents had kicked her out of the house, and she was homeless, and addicted to crack. Nobody wanted her around them for very long, because she couldn't be trusted. She had been to juvenile detention, and learned about gang life. They offered her a place to stay, and she knew she could go to them at any time of day or night.

Where is someone like this supposed to get help, and who is going to offer it? Her brother, some friends of his, and I sat with her at the guidance councilors office at school many times. We got help for her, but it was very long and difficult. And today she's in school and hopeful for the future. And doesn't drink or do drugs.

Some of her more recent Facebook posts:

"I wish I had a magic wand to make everything better but I don't have the power and control to do so. My role is to love and accept the choices around me and to be there for my friends and family who need me!"

"The most simple things in life and the free love you give and receive makes life worth being apart of. Took my almost 2 years old nephew to the park. Watched him play with the rocks and go down the slide and held him till he fell asleep in my arms ,could not have asked for a better moment and understand what real love is today!"

"Listen to your inner self for what you want out of life, cause your outer self is what you want people to think you have in your life...this might not make any sense but it makes sense to me. Be yourself and not an image of what you think you should be!"

Anybody could say she willingly took drugs. But children aren't capable of making those decisions any more than you can expect them to say no to eating too many candy bars without supervision.

[Benn]

Curtman Curtman:

But children aren't capable of making those decisions any more than you can expect them to say no to eating too many candy bars without supervision.

In some cases yes and in some no. I see dozens of 5 - 12 year olds each week from the worst part of Winnipeg who have made this choice. Don't forget these kids have seem more of the under belly of society by age 10 than most people in the burbs will in a lifetime so they know damn well what drugs can do. As for where does someone go in this situation, there are lots of places, its more a matter of who will show them the way there or if they know of them.

Basically each case is different, your example might and likely has a whole slew of background and environmental issues behind it you did not cover or even don't know about. So its the same as arguing what the father in the article should have done or not have done to help his kid when none of us know more than a paragraph about them, it's just pointless arguing about it with little to no info already.

[PJB]

Curtman Curtman:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

It was a sacrifice play. He gave up his future to try and save his daughter's future.....and hopefully the lives of others touched by this evil.

Do you think his daughter's future is brighter now? I don't. She's still a drug addict, and now she has no father.

You know absolutely NOTHING about Jadah. She go herself clean and is a very productive member of society! You may ask how I know this and I can say I lived in Yorkton when all of this happened and I have seen her after it all. She is a very nice, caring individual!
Did anyone actually attempt to do some research on this case. Hayward was a weighlifter and steroid user. He got Jadah hooked on Morphine. He dealt drugs openly! Give your friggin' heads a shake and don't judge based upon one article!

[Curtman]

No, I don't know her personally. I'm very glad to hear it though.