[RUEZ]

romanP romanP:

No, it means you shouldn't talk about events as if you were there when you weren't.

Oh, bad Steve, how dare you express sentiment.

[ShepherdsDog]

romanP romanP:

No, it means you shouldn't talk about events as if you were there when you weren't.

Why? You've made occasional comments about reality.

[EyeBrock]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

You have to be 18 to join the CF Iceowl.

actually it's 17.

I stand corrected! I was 16 1/2 when I joined.

[PENATRATOR]

romanP romanP:

The title of the article should be "Harper visits war graves, macho bullshit ensues"

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Harper said later he was moved by the beautiful calm today in contrast to the chaos and bloodshed that had unfolded in 1944.

Yeah, cause he was totally there in 1944.

Were you there? Or better yet, HAVE you been there?

[EyeBrock]

PENATRATOR PENATRATOR:

romanP romanP:

The title of the article should be "Harper visits war graves, macho bullshit ensues"

$1:

Harper said later he was moved by the beautiful calm today in contrast to the chaos and bloodshed that had unfolded in 1944.

Yeah, cause he was totally there in 1944.

Were you there? Or better yet, HAVE you been there?

Nah, it's off his bus-route!

[romanP]

PENATRATOR PENATRATOR:

romanP romanP:

The title of the article should be "Harper visits war graves, macho bullshit ensues"

$1:

Harper said later he was moved by the beautiful calm today in contrast to the chaos and bloodshed that had unfolded in 1944.

Yeah, cause he was totally there in 1944.

Were you there? Or better yet, HAVE you been there?

No, but I'm not making dumb statements about being "prepared to fight" because of something that happened sixty-five years ago. Those conditions will probably never repeat themselves, and they certainly don't reflect the present. We don't have dictators aligning themselves with each other to take over the world. Instead we have a little crazy North Korean man looking for any excuse to push the red button, not because he wants to take over the world but because he knows it gets a reaction.

[PENATRATOR]

Considering how well documented 6 Jun 1944 is in film and literature, I am sure even a moron who is at Normandy today can make the assumption things are much more calm and peacful (due to the men who landed there) than it was in 1944. Your statment was assinine.

Maybe take the time out of your busy schedule to go there and honour their memory.

Thanks for your insight into "it won't happen again".
Things change, maybe there is no Hitler lurking, however, the new enemy is terrorism, if young men and women are not prepared to go out and defend this countries interests at home and abroad, where would we be?

[romanP]

PENATRATOR PENATRATOR:

Considering how well documented 6 Jun 1944 is in film and literature, I am sure even a moron who is at Normandy today can make the assumption things are much more calm and peacful (due to the men who landed there) than it was in 1944. Your statment was assinine.

Sure it's more calm and peaceful. That's why Stephen Harper's statement is ridiculous. We're not fighting Hitler anymore, we stopped doing that when he put a bullet through his head.

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Maybe take the time out of your busy schedule to go there and honour their memory.

Will you buy my plane ticket? I'm currently barely able to pay rent and feed myself, nevermind travel.

$1:

Thanks for your insight into "it won't happen again".
Things change, maybe there is no Hitler lurking, however, the new enemy is terrorism, if young men and women are not prepared to go out and defend this countries interests at home and abroad, where would we be?

Saying that "the new enemy is terrorism" is about as intelligent as saying "the new enemy is war." Fighting a war against war is about as useful as giving a bicycle to a fish. War has been around since before language was invented, and isn't going away any time soon if the solution is more violence.

[EyeBrock]

What are you going on about IO/roman?

[PENATRATOR]

Re read my post, did not see where I mentioned war is going away. I said we have to be prepared to defend the countries interests at home and abroad. The way I read your reply is basicaly should we become the target of someone, we should roll over and take it in the ass, because to defend our nation would mean resorting to violence. Well fine and dandy for you I guess, but those of us that have a set of stones would rather take a stand, so that the shit and corruption we witness at various complete shithole around the world never has to be seen in our own neighborhood or by our kids (or yours). Prevent violence through preparation.

[PENATRATOR]

People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

Attributed to George Orwell, and occasionally to Winston Churchill

[kenmore]

RomanP wrote "those conditions will probably never repeat themselves, and they certainly don't reflect the present."

Hello! those very conditions are prevalent in many countries in the world. We are still fighting ethnic cleansing and autocrats and dictator rulers in many countries. These regimes are a threat to world peace and order. And we have to be prepared to take a stand against these evils.. These conditions should never be taken lightly or the sacrifices of many 65 yrs ago be forgotten. You are enjoying your freedom because of them..

[romanP]

PENATRATOR PENATRATOR:

Re read my post, did not see where I mentioned war is going away.

You said "the new enemy is terrorism." Terrorism is a politically sanitised word for low-intensity warfare.

$1:

I said we have to be prepared to defend the countries interests at home and abroad. The way I read your reply is basicaly should we become the target of someone, we should roll over and take it in the ass, because to defend our nation would mean resorting to violence.

Yeah, you would read it that way if you live in a black and white world.

$1:

Well fine and dandy for you I guess, but those of us that have a set of stones

Ah, so it is about macho insecurity!

$1:

would rather take a stand, so that the shit and corruption we witness at various complete shithole around the world never has to be seen in our own neighborhood or by our kids (or yours). Prevent violence through preparation.

I'm not denying that there are dangers in the world that require a standing military force. I'm saying that terrorism isn't going to go away by having a shooting war against it. You might as well get into a fist fight with the air, because it will be about as productive. The world is not really any safer today than it was ten years ago despite the countless "terrorists" that have been killed in various fashions. There will always be someone we can call "terrorists."

[romanP]

kenmore kenmore:

RomanP wrote "those conditions will probably never repeat themselves, and they certainly don't reflect the present."

Hello! those very conditions are prevalent in many countries in the world. We are still fighting ethnic cleansing and autocrats and dictator rulers in many countries. These regimes are a threat to world peace and order. And we have to be prepared to take a stand against these evils.. These conditions should never be taken lightly or the sacrifices of many 65 yrs ago be forgotten. You are enjoying your freedom because of them..

You're missing the key element of what I'm saying. Yes, all of those things are still happening, and it's still terrible. There will probably not be a time within our lifetime or within the lifetime of many generations after us where those things will not exist, because they are an unfortunate part of human nature. The key element that is missing is that none of those people are trying to take over the world. They're all fighting very localised battles and most don't have the influence or money to even think about expansion.

[PENATRATOR]

Disect it however you like, you are basically admitting that you would rather concede defeat than protect your own, that is fine, refer to my George Orwell quote. Think what you want about the war on terror, but since the invasion of Afghanistan, (a place that sponsored and allowed terrorist to train and run wild, regardless of their nationality) has there been an attack in North America? None that I am aware of, if you know of any seriously let me know. That is great, fight them over there, contain them, keep their attention focused on our soldiers, I prefer it that way, rather than as I mentioned my children having to witness that shit here at home.