[bootlegga]

Dayseed Dayseed:

You're anti-social.

Dayseed Dayseed:

I know you're closed-minded.

Dayseed Dayseed:

And your choice of music sucks fucking donkey dick.

Dayseed Dayseed:

Thanks Cementhead!

And I'm the anti-social one?

Seeing as how you're the one who can't simply argue with anyone without flaming/taking cheapshots, I'd say you have it ass backwards.

[jason700]

Dayseed, if you don't learn to play nice nobody is going to want to play with you. In other words, Get Over Yourself.

[jason700]

Mustang1 Mustang1:

Jay-Jay is not very swift. He likes coloring and Treehouse. He also likes making a complete ass of himself. He's also entertaining. Want proof? Check out this tool's attempt at politics. It's priceless

Oops! Was there supposed to be a link here?! Because if there was one it likely point out that Mustang1 is also an arrogant blow-hard who can't have a discussion without resorting to insults.

Yes, I just insulted you. I'm such a hypocrite.

[StuntmanMike]

Dayseed Dayseed:

If you're not pushing an agenda, your view of the case should be changing based on the Crown's much more learned opinion. If you can't adopt a new position, and you continue on with your old one in spite, you're agenda-pushing. Secondly, I don't care what the vox populi is crying; the law is meant to transcend mobocracy, which in this case it did. The Crown made a decision based on what the officers faced when they entered the room and how they dealt with it in light of their training and good-faith beliefs in the benigness of the taser. They didn't base their decision solely on the death of Dziekanski and then look for the scape-goat; which is what you people wanted.

Well said.

The Crown's decision not to charge the officers was the right one. People complain that officer's are treated "differently" from average members of the public when they are investigated for things like this. That's a silly complaint.

Police should be treated differently. That's because unlike bouncers, or security guards or anyone else in society who uses force in the course of their jobs, police are under a sworn obligation to act in the face of violence. They don't have the option of running away. Other members of society do. As a result, they are entitled to the extra benefit of the doubt.

That said, it does appear that tasers are being utilized perhaps a little too quickly these days. I think you'll find in many remote northern communities, where police don't have access to much in the way of back-up or use of force options, officers learn very quickly to go the extra mile and talk their way through situations rather than go right to force.

But that's a matter for an inquest or perhaps new guidelines on the use of tasers to address.

[Mustang1]

jason700 jason700:

Oops!

Yep, you stepping in your own crap again. One would think you'd be used to the smell by now.

$1:

Was there supposed to be a link here?!

Coming up, douche. post1364095#p1364095. This one is a personal favorite where not only do I crush your puny attempt to matter, but I systematically expose you as a fraud, coward, dumbass, ignoramus AND a liar!

$1:

Because if there was one it likely point out that Mustang1 is also an arrogant

Arrogance is the favorite retort of the intellectually stunted when they've been outgunned. I'm just smarter than you (which is hardly saying much) and i know more about politics (which was demonstrated). Get over it, princess.

$1:

blow-hard who can't have a discussion without resorting to insults.

It's not a discussion with peons like you, it's more of a correcting exercise. Discussion implies an equal exchange of ideas from informed individuals. You fail on all accounts. And as per usual the hypocrite retreats to the whining. Next time, stay out of posts you don't get.

$1:

Yes, I just insulted you. I'm such a hypocrite.

And a coward, liar, dunce, douchebag, suck, peon and intellectual fraud. Want more?

[Mustang1]

jason700 jason700:

Dayseed, if you don't learn to play nice nobody is going to want to play with you. In other words, Get Over Yourself.

Jay-Jay, if you don't learn to get a clue, you constantly get your ass handed to you. In other words, don't dish advice, Qui-Gon Jinn, because it lacks any weight.

[Dayseed]

bootlegga bootlegga:

And I'm the anti-social one?

Seeing as how you're the one who can't simply argue with anyone without flaming/taking cheapshots, I'd say you have it ass backwards.

You're still anti-social. That's my point. Who cares if I am too?

[Dayseed]

jason700 jason700:

Dayseed, if you don't learn to play nice nobody is going to want to play with you. In other words, Get Over Yourself.

Why should I have to kiss the ass of people who are wrong?

[Dayseed]

uwish uwish:

already found one...and your taking it hook line and sinker

Good one! Cribbing from the "I know you are but what am I?" book of Kindergarten's Best Guarenteed Laffs? Did your road-show break down or something?

Oh, and just for good measure, "you're taking..." not "your taking..." C'mon, that's the second time you've made that mistake. I can't correct your entire life. Not even Jesus with a head-start, three wishes and a Dodge Ram Hemi could correct your entire life.

[Dayseed]

StuntmanMike StuntmanMike:

Well said.

The Crown's decision not to charge the officers was the right one. People complain that officer's are treated "differently" from average members of the public when they are investigated for things like this. That's a silly complaint.

Police should be treated differently. That's because unlike bouncers, or security guards or anyone else in society who uses force in the course of their jobs, police are under a sworn obligation to act in the face of violence. They don't have the option of running away. Other members of society do. As a result, they are entitled to the extra benefit of the doubt.

That said, it does appear that tasers are being utilized perhaps a little too quickly these days. I think you'll find in many remote northern communities, where police don't have access to much in the way of back-up or use of force options, officers learn very quickly to go the extra mile and talk their way through situations rather than go right to force.

But that's a matter for an inquest or perhaps new guidelines on the use of tasers to address.

I'm certainly no expert on northern policing, perhaps Eyebrock can shed some light on the subject, but I would guess that in remote communities, tasering your way to victory all the time is going to be remembered by the community.

And not remembered well at that.

I don't think that the police should be above the law. I think a situation that would result in the average citizen getting arrested should apply to the police as well. But I also think that police related deaths invoke too many emotions that cloud the public's mind, disallowing a rational investigation.

Once again, an independent body, like a federal SIU, could put a lot of these fears to rest.

[StuntmanMike]

Dayseed Dayseed:

Once again, an independent body, like a federal SIU, could put a lot of these fears to rest.

That's true. I'm not sure why the SIU model hasn't taken root in the rest of Canada. When it was established in Ontario, it was admittedly, a disaster. But that was because the NDP government of the time politicized the program and allowed it to become a mess.

Since then, it has evolved into a competent, effective, oversight body that provides a thorough, arm's length investigation into police operations that result in death or bodily harm to members of the public (recent criticisms not withstanding).

[EyeBrock]

I wonder why there isn't a Federal SIU? The patchwork of oversight bodies across Canada just isn't up to the job.
The SIU in Ontario should be a model for the Country on police accountability.

Everybody wins with fair and neutral police accountability. Even the Mounties.

[StuntmanMike]

Dayseed Dayseed:

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I don't think that the police should be above the law. I think a situation that would result in the average citizen getting arrested should apply to the police as well.

Nobody wants police to get a free pass when it comes to people dying at their hands. But it's difficult to make comparisons with average citizens because to some extents it's apples and oranges. After all, I can't envision any circumstances where a regular member of the public could lawfully tase somebody. That authority is exclusive to police.

Still, although I maintain the Crown made the right decision in not prosecuting the officers, I think it's possible the incident could have been handled better.

[jason700]

Mustang1 Mustang1:

Yep, you stepping in your own crap again. One would think you'd be used to the smell by now.

You'd certainly know what it takes to get used to the smell of shit... try washing your ass.

Mustang1 Mustang1:

Coming up, douche. post1364095#p1364095. This one is a personal favorite where not only do I crush your puny attempt to matter, but I systematically expose you as a fraud, coward, dumbass, ignoramus AND a liar!

Keep telling yourself that...

Mustang1 Mustang1:

Arrogance is the favorite retort of the intellectually stunted when they've been outgunned.

Says who? People who disagree with you call you arrogant because it's the truth. You prove us right just about every time you post.

Mustang1 Mustang1:

i know more about politics (which was demonstrated). Get over it, princess.

You brought it up. But, yes, most likely you DO know more about politics than I. Which is why it is sad that you couldn't just answer a simple question without dodging and resorting to insults and personal attacks.

Mustang1 Mustang1:

It's not a discussion with peons like you, it's more of a correcting exercise.

Then by all means, correct me. Answer my question, in that thread. Why would a two-round instant runoff not serve Canadians better than our current system of FPTP? I expect more dodging of course.

Mustang1 Mustang1:

Discussion implies an equal exchange of ideas from informed individuals. You fail on all accounts. And as per usual the hypocrite retreats to the whining. Next time, stay out of posts you don't get.

I'll post where I feel like posting. I don't take marching orders from you.

[Mustang1]

jason700 jason700:

You'd certainly know what it takes to get used to the smell of shit... try washing your ass.

I do wash my ass, but that won't change your diarrhea breath or moronic posts. Sorry, poop boy, but you, like your sheets, reek of crap.

$1:

Keep telling yourself that...

I don't need to tell myself anything, window-licker, i have the post. It's called objective fact, tard. Damn, you're dumb

$1:

Says who? People who disagree with you call you arrogant because it's the truth. You prove us right just about every time you post.

Dummy, your sole mission here is to serve as a warning to others. You got your ass handed to you on politics and you've provided nothing of value to this thread. You're an intellectual wannabe, a coward and a hypocrite. In short, you're the forum's intellectual punching bag.

$1:

But, yes, most likely you DO know more about politics than I...

Stop. You actually made a point.

$1:

Then by all means, correct me. Answer my question, in that thread. Why would a two-round instant runoff not serve Canadians better than our current system of FPTP? I expect more dodging of course.

Nope. I already tried smashing ideas into that empty maw atop your gangly neck and like your social life, it's a failure. You don't know anything about politics, so what's the point? It's not a dialogue, it's a lecture and all you can do is misquote wikipedia or ape someone else's blog. It's not worth it. Next time, just read.

$1:

I'll post where I feel like posting. I don't take marching orders from you.

And the asshat steals from me too! Damn, are you capable of anything original beyond finger painting in your own poop?

And each and every time you act like a first rate ass, play the wannabe intellectual, act like a hypocritical douche or sanctimoniously Karma bomb a thread, i'll be there to rub your inbred face in it.