[Thanos]

romanP romanP:

Thanos Thanos:

You negate my vote in an election and then expect me to sit back in silence and just take it?

How is your vote negated? The Conservatives would still form part of the government, they would just be put back where they belong, in the opposition seating. You may have conveniently forgotten that they still hold a minority of seats, while the majority of voters chose the other four parties.

The vote of everyone who chose Conservative will be negated not by the results of an election but by an end-run around the results of an election. That the other three parties (not four because the Greens didn't get a seat and are therefore irrelvant) share an alleged common leftist ideology doesn't matter and shouldn't even be taken into consideration.

Conservative voters won, even if it was a minority result. The other side doesn't like it and they're going to go to the referees (i.e. the GG and probably the courts) to get the results negated and have themselves declared the winners. This is about the most ridiculous display of Orwellian re-writing of history combined with the whining of cry-baby loser spoilsports I've ever seen in my whole life.

[Streaker]

Thanos Thanos:

Government policy influenced or, more likely, directly written by Gilles Duceppe and his rotten separatist cohorts. I don't see how this possibility doesn't literally terrorize the shit out of anyone who's been paying attention to this issue.

Mulroney did far worse in terms of letting separatists run the show, yet you defend him.

[romanP]

StuntmanMike StuntmanMike:

I think that pretty much sums it up. When this began, I thought it was another brilliant end-run around the Libs by Harper.

Democracy isn't a football game.

[romanP]

StuntmanMike StuntmanMike:

kenmore kenmore:

A coalition would be a good idea right now...the torys have no real plan to help the current crises except screw the little guy and they never had a plan before the election.. so ya turf em out!

I think their plan was actually pretty solid.

What plan? They didn't even have a platform until a week before the election!

[StuntmanMike]

romanP romanP:

StuntmanMike StuntmanMike:

I think that pretty much sums it up. When this began, I thought it was another brilliant end-run around the Libs by Harper.

Democracy isn't a football game.

But politics is. Or, it's something close to it.

Do you honestly think the Libs and NDP are considering merging because they have a common vision of the country?

Of course not. They hate each other.

Do you honestly think the Conservatives introduced the electoral financing reforms because they believe it's necessary to balance the budget?

Of course not. It's to hurt the Libs.

Politics is a blood sport, and the goal is to take power, regardless of whose in the game. If you believe otherwise, then you are naive.

[Thanos]

Streaker Streaker:

Thanos Thanos:

Government policy influenced or, more likely, directly written by Gilles Duceppe and his rotten separatist cohorts. I don't see how this possibility doesn't literally terrorize the shit out of anyone who's been paying attention to this issue.

Mulroney did far worse in terms of letting separatists run the show, yet you defend him.

At least Mulroney tried to take the edge off the separatist issue by attempting to reach some kind of middle ground, as shown by the Meech Lake and Charlottetown Accords. That both attempts failed doesn't matter, and neither does your opinion of Mulroney, because at least the effort to try to form a new and acceptable consensus was tried. Liberals don't even bother trying. During Liberal governance, examples under Trudeau and Chretien, separatism invariably explodes into an active menace to national unity, as evidenced by two Quebec referendums including the one in 1995 that Chretien nearly blew.

And now, in violation of everything they allegedly believed in, the Liberals are going to let the chicken switch be controlled by the Bloc. Why not just sell the whole country off to Vladimir Putin or the Chinese right now instead and just get it over with once and for all? At least Moscow and Beijing would be open and honest about how badly they'd like to rape us.

[DerbyX]

romanP romanP:

StuntmanMike StuntmanMike:

kenmore kenmore:

A coalition would be a good idea right now...the torys have no real plan to help the current crises except screw the little guy and they never had a plan before the election.. so ya turf em out!

I think their plan was actually pretty solid.

What plan? They didn't even have a platform until a week before the election!

And the one they did concoct sucked and went right out the window in the wake of Harpers recent antics.

[StuntmanMike]

romanP romanP:

StuntmanMike StuntmanMike:

kenmore kenmore:

A coalition would be a good idea right now...the torys have no real plan to help the current crises except screw the little guy and they never had a plan before the election.. so ya turf em out!

I think their plan was actually pretty solid.

What plan? They didn't even have a platform until a week before the election!

Um.. yeah.

The Conservatives, in case you missed it were the government. For the government, their "platform" is their record. That's the way it works. They ran on their record this election. The Libs ran on a platform, which they didn't announce until well into the election.

[Scape]

I can't see a coalition in the cards but stick a fork in Harper cuz he is done. His bluff got called and now there is no way this government will survive a confidence vote.

[DerbyX]

Scape for PM?

[StuntmanMike]

Scape Scape:

I can't see a coalition in the cards but stick a fork in Harper cuz he is done. His bluff got called and now there is no way this government will survive a confidence vote.

Doubtful. Harper may have overplayed his hand on this one, but his support in the CPC is solid. He's brought together two disparate parties, taken them from opposition to government, and tortured the Liberals for the last 3 years.

There's no way they're going to give him up for an unknown quantity like Prentice or Mckay.

[hurley_108]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Harper brought this on with his smart-ass brinkmanship. He basically dared the oppostion parties to take him on. Which they indicated they were prepared to do. Which is why Harper had to back off.

Yup. Harper brought this all on himself. If he had actually tried to make this parliament work and avoided undeniably contentious issues which have no bearing on the problem he's framed his entire mandate around we wouldn't be in this little predicament.

[hurley_108]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Thats funny. They lost in 2006 under democracy then again last month again under democracy. Both times Harper subverted democracy be bully politics and of course breaking his own election law.

Now he wants to subvert it by not governing with the minority mandate the voters gave him. Instead of governing democratically he instead is trying to bully the opposition which he promptly backed down from once the opposition told him they wouldn't be bullied.

If the other parties can manage to get along to form a govt then thats the very definition of democracy.

Exactly. What's undemocratic is a party that barely won a third of the vote trying to spin the very issue that they campaigned on into a power grab, while basically otherwise ignoring that issue.

[DerbyX]

Don't confuse them with facts. Truth and facts are like kryptonite to them.

[hurley_108]

Streaker Streaker:

Still sceptical that this coalition will happen, but OMG would it be a glorious moment in Canadian political history were it to happen.

Here's our Audacity of Hope.