[DerbyX]

Bartsimpson Bartsimpson:

There were no guns on that bus. Who was safer because of that?

Everybody who wasn't shot by that maniac and they would have been safer still if he hadn't had a knife.

Bartsimpson Bartsimpson:

No, you assumed that anyone with a gun, a knife, a club, or a spine intervening in this situation would have had their weapon taken from them by the criminal. You assumed the worst.

All those people on that bus sat on their ass and watched while that kid was brutally murdered. And that's EXACTLY what you recommend they do because, omigosh, something bad might happen if they get involved.

Call it what you want, I call it cowardice.

So far as your telling me to eff off you have NOTHING to back that up with. Nothing. What are you going to do if I and 100,000 Marines march on into Canada to take over? Write a nasty letter to the Globe and Mail? Because if you don't have the nerve to simply recommend that people not just watch when a vicious crime occurs you won't have the stones to put yourself at risk for anything more than that.

A strawman analysis because I didn't say that at all. That boy was dead before anybody couls have intervened and I never said don't help.

As for your continued BS that sees you threatening force at every turn all I can say is that you are becoming the very people you claim to oppose.

Bartsimpson Bartsimpson:

No, Derby, that is simply not true. Prior to the invention of firearms were people safer? No, they were murdered, raped, robbed, and enslaved with far greater frequency than people are today.

People are safer when criminals are not allowed to commit crimes without severe repercussions. The risk of murdering someone in Canada is pretty low. If you get caught then maybe you'll get twenty years for it. Even if you do, some cuddly judge will cut you loose after 7-9 years because jail is just so awful and unfair and it's a violation of your rights as a criminal.

In the case at hand, the argument that the absence of a gun on that bus made anyone safer is hollow as there wasn't a gun on that bus.

Yes it is true. Were people safer before firearms? Very likely. People are being robbed, murdered, raped, and killed today despite firearms.

Guess what? I'm far safer walking around unarmed in my country then you are walking around armed in yours.

Your arguement about somebody having a gun saving the situation is hollow because according to the witness the act happened so fast that he was almost certainly dead before anybody could have responded.

[Streaker]

C.M. Burns C.M. Burns:

hwacker hwacker:

If I was sitting beside this poor kid the guy would be dead in 3 sec.

Every fucking time... "If I were there..."
But you're not. You're sitting at your fucking computer.
Why aren't you out patrolling the streets, Superman?

You'll dig this story, Burns:

Some time ago we had a member who dubbed himself Avro. He and hwancker both live in the general vicinity of Toronto. Over a period of time they had a number of run-ins, with hwanker repeatedly putting on the macho act.

Avro repeatedly offered to meet internet tough-guy hwancker in person.


But, of course, hwanker declined.

[Streaker]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Streaker Streaker:

LMAO!!

I see that Bart is in full-blown psycho mode again.

Feel free to come back to CN so I can nuke you again.

...and further demonstrate your emotional instability?

Don't tempt me!

[Tricks]

Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:

stemmer stemmer:

Surely someone on the bus could have intervened after witnessing the first thrust of the knife...

Intervened as a crazy guy with a hunting knife is stabbing the person beside him repeatedly in the throat? I don't think typical bus passengers are going to be able to help in that situation.

Pull out their own knife

[Tricks]

You know what this is going to do now? People who carry knives are going to be fucked. We are already looked down upon, but now were screwed. God dammit.

[romanP]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

DerbyX DerbyX:

He is wrong though. It happened so fast and so unexpected that the boy was likely dead before anybody could have reacted and its just as likely that in the ensuing panic that person with a gun might have shot an innocent bystander or worse yet lost that gun with the killer getting it.

What a cowardly response. Please. You're not supposed to do anything because of a bunch of what-ifs? Do you ever even leave your house with this mindset?

First of all, as has been repeated ad naseum by this point, everyone on the bus was asleep, so the guy was dead before anyone could do anything. Second, if you're trying to save lives by shooting dangerous people, you damn well should be worried that you're not killing the non-dangerous people in the process, or you're a dangerous person yourself.

[BartSimpson]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Guess what? I'm far safer walking around unarmed in my country then you are walking around armed in yours.

In some respects, I was safer walking around armed on deployment due to more favorable ROE. And you're not actually safer, you're just waiting for the roulette wheel of life to pick your number is all.

[BartSimpson]

romanP romanP:

Second, if you're trying to save lives by shooting dangerous people, you damn well should be worried that you're not killing the non-dangerous people in the process, or you're a dangerous person yourself.

I've shot my share of people and I've never hit anyone I wasn't aiming at. So your worries are not mine.

[romanP]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

No, you assumed that anyone with a gun, a knife, a club, or a spine intervening in this situation would have had their weapon taken from them by the criminal. You assumed the worst.

Oh, I get. The guy got stabbed because there wasn't enough MACHO STUPIDITY on the bus.

$1:

All those people on that bus sat on their ass and watched while that kid was brutally murdered. And that's EXACTLY what you recommend they do because, omigosh, something bad might happen if they get involved.

They didn't sit and watch, they were asleep. It happened at night. The victim was dead by the time anyone noticed what was going on.

$1:

Call it what you want, I call it cowardice.

So far as your telling me to eff off you have NOTHING to back that up with. Nothing. What are you going to do if I and 100,000 Marines march on into Canada to take over? Write a nasty letter to the Globe and Mail? Because if you don't have the nerve to simply recommend that people not just watch when a vicious crime occurs you won't have the stones to put yourself at risk for anything more than that.

Oh, that's what should have happened. We didn't have enough MACHO STUPIDITY, so the next response is to call in the army to stop one guy on a bus. Fuck, you're so stupid, I think I might actually go buy a sledge hammer and find some ant hills to destroy.

[romanP]

hurley_108 hurley_108:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

No, Derby, that is simply not true. Prior to the invention of firearms were people safer? No, they were murdered, raped, robbed, and enslaved with far greater frequency than people are today.

Yea, and the earth was cooler when there were more pi

There was a time when there was more pie? I knew it, all the heat was lost because we stopped storing it in pies, and now it's in the atmosphere. We have to make more pies.

[romanP]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

romanP romanP:

Second, if you're trying to save lives by shooting dangerous people, you damn well should be worried that you're not killing the non-dangerous people in the process, or you're a dangerous person yourself.

I've shot my share of people and I've never hit anyone I wasn't aiming at. So your worries are not mine.

You're not everyone. You're not even a lot of people. You're just a dumbass posting on the internet. Now go away before I taunt you a second time!

[BartSimpson]

romanP romanP:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

romanP romanP:

Second, if you're trying to save lives by shooting dangerous people, you damn well should be worried that you're not killing the non-dangerous people in the process, or you're a dangerous person yourself.

I've shot my share of people and I've never hit anyone I wasn't aiming at. So your worries are not mine.

You're not everyone. You're not even a lot of people. You're just a dumbass posting on the internet. Now go away before I taunt you a second time!

IceOwl, you're getting nasty these days.

[romanP]

Who the hell is IceOwl?

[hurley_108]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

romanP romanP:

You're not everyone. You're not even a lot of people. You're just a dumbass posting on the internet. Now go away before I taunt you a second time!

IceOwl, you're getting nasty these days.

So calling someone a dumbass is nastiness, but chastising ordinary people you don't know and whose situation you weren't in for doing nothing to prevent a brutal attack, erroneously no less, is what, forthright? I can't even imagine what you thing you're being in this thread.

Be gone.

[robmik43]

No one here has ever been on a bus when something
like this has broken out...hardly any one in the
world has. So no one has any credibility in opining
'what they'd do' if it happened to them.
No one here on this forum, regardless of their
political affiliation, will influence the introduction
of any legislative changes to do with crime or punishment.
So what this huge thread is all about is posters attacking
other posters......