[Mustang1]

ridenrain ridenrain:

Right there on page #2:

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Any of our politicians may be racist, homophobic or homosexual, or whatever and we may never know it. We can guess at their personal lives and feelings but we'll never really know these people. In the end, it really dosen't matter because I don't need to know them to trust them to do the right thing, say the right things and act the part I demand in a public figure.

If they can't understand the difference between what's acceptable in public and what's allowed in private then they probably lack the diciplen to do the job in the first place.

This guy got caught being stupid and he'll probably loose his seat and nomination. That's public life. Look at King Ralf for example. He was a big racist drunk but people kept electing him.. go figure.

Nice name calling there, tough guy

Right here on page #1:

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17 years ago...How desperate can you get. Next you're going to be digging up grade school report cards and high school pictures.

Wanna' try that one again?

[ridenrain]

Mustang1 Mustang1:

ridenrain ridenrain:

Did I say that Trudeau should have been removed for his past opinions?
I have many problems with the Trudeau government but not with the guy himself.
In a way, I’m defending the right of the man to think whatever it was he did.
Just as the government has no place in the bedrooms, it definitely has no place in our hearts or minds either.

Please tell me exactly how I’m being hypocritical here.

<sigh> Initially you wrote, "17 years ago...How desperate can you get. Next you're going to be digging up grade school report cards and high school pictures. "

This was obviously a condemnation of calling for accountability. You clearly stated that this was "desperate" and then followed it up with an argumentative fallacy about "digging up grade school report cards" all in a blatant rejection of calls of bigotry and homophobia.

THEN, when references were made to holding other historical figures accountable for pre-political comments, you evoked Trudeau as another example. Why? If you followed your original train of logic, you should have condemned the original comment about Hitler as being "desperate" (just like your first foray onto the thread) and made no reference to Trudeau as this clearly ran counter to your thinking. If it didn't matter, why bring it up?

Nice try, but you got caught being a cheap partisan hack. You railed against the original controversy but failed to maintain that same view when it applied to Trudeau. It's a hypocritical stance. Your meager attempts to weasel out of it won't alter it. You got caught pushing an agenda. Deal with it.

I brought up Trudeau because I was looking for the same situation with the places reversed. As you refuse to mention, I didn't demand Trudeau be removed from power for what he said before.

I’ve actually been trying to find details on the tasteless practical joke that Joy Mcphail and Penny Priddy played in the BC -Leg a number of years ago. It was a sexist joke against a gay Social Credit MLA and it was received with giggles and snickers. Penny Preddy has been my NDP-MP for far too long and although what she did reflects very badly on her personally, I wouldn’t think of demanding her recall.

You still haven’t proved any double standard.

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djakeydd djakeydd:

nice clip Let's all admit it, homosexuality aside, all of Harper's crew are a bunch of fascist, rascist myopic bigots - sort of like most Albertans.

Why is it acceptable for Liberals to stereotype conservatives and Albertans?

funny considering the topic of this thread.

[Mustang1]

Whoops! Apparently you're NOT going to address your little misstep after all...

ridenrain ridenrain:

I brought up Trudeau because I was looking for the same situation with the places reversed. As you refuse to mention, I didn't demand Trudeau be removed from power for what he said before.

Nope. Your quote and subsequent link actually did the opposite - they exposed your double standard. They outlined his past and tried to integrate it into his character (which, i'm not exactly opposing). You brought it up, not to exonerate him, but to hold him accountable - the exact opposite tact you took on page 1. Want your quote again?

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You still haven’t proved any double standard.

Already have and I certainly don't need your intellectually stunted endorsement for it to be an objective fact. Take you partisan playbook and go back to spitting out amateurish garbage about a subject you know little about. You've been called out as a partisan hack you've responded with mangled mush. Shuffle on.

[djakeydd]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

djakeydd djakeydd:

nice clip Let's all admit it, homosexuality aside, all of Harper's crew are a bunch of fascist, rascist myopic bigots - sort of like most Albertans.

Harper is not a fascist.

Well, at least your admitting to the other attributes I listed on him, thats a start..

[EyeBrock]

Mustang1 Mustang1:

ridenrain ridenrain:

Should Trudeau have been asked to resign for saying racist things in his past?

According to your hypocritical posts, no, because it was longer than 17 year prior to his Prime Ministerial tenure.

So... in trying to traverse you muddled logic, if its about a conservative making socially regressive comments, its subject to a statue of limitations, but if its about Trudeau or a Liberal, it's fair game forever. You got caught with a double standard. Get over it.

Typical unenlightened partisan junk. Shuffle on.

Come on mustang, you can't have it both ways. If Saint PET is okay to support fascists and then he's miraculously rehabilitated, then this idiot's drunken ramblings from 17 years ago should be given the same quarter.
Otherwise you are just as guilty at playing the partisan card as those you accuse of similar conduct.

As I previously mentioned, the world has changed a lot (mostly for the better) in 17 years.
Gays are no longer figures of fun or harassment as they were 20 or so years ago.
That’s why Gay Pride started. To counter the then mainstream views that were definitely less than inclusive towards gays and lesbians.

To judge this 17 year old incident using today’s standards is disingenuous.
The goal posts have moved considerably.
What was acceptable 17 years ago is now totally taboo. Let’s not get too ‘thought-police’ on this.
The guy’s apology was accepted by a fellow parliamentarian who is gay and a NDP member, and who is in a much better position to sit in judgement on this embarrassing episode than you or the baying mob on this forum and in the media.

Give the guy a break like the gay NDP MP has.

[djakeydd]

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djakeydd djakeydd:

nice clip Let's all admit it, homosexuality aside, all of Harper's crew are a bunch of fascist, rascist myopic bigots - sort of like most Albertans.

Why is it acceptable for Liberals to stereotype conservatives and Albertans?

funny considering the topic of this thread.

As I said, the apology is a joke, it is lip service. Most Albertans are conservative, they also share many of Harper's traits.

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djakeydd djakeydd:

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djakeydd djakeydd:

nice clip Let's all admit it, homosexuality aside, all of Harper's crew are a bunch of fascist, rascist myopic bigots - sort of like most Albertans.

Why is it acceptable for Liberals to stereotype conservatives and Albertans?

funny considering the topic of this thread.

As I said, the apology is a joke, it is lip service. Most Albertans are conservative, they also share many of Harper's traits.

you just proved my point


do it again

[ridenrain]

Mustang1 Mustang1:

Whoops! Apparently you're NOT going to address your little misstep after all...

ridenrain ridenrain:

I brought up Trudeau because I was looking for the same situation with the places reversed. As you refuse to mention, I didn't demand Trudeau be removed from power for what he said before.

Nope. Your quote and subsequent link actually did the opposite - they exposed your double standard. They outlined his past and tried to integrate it into his character (which, i'm not exactly opposing). You brought it up, not to exonerate him, but to hold him accountable - the exact opposite tact you took on page 1. Want your quote again?

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You still haven’t proved any double standard.

Already have and I certainly don't need your intellectually stunted endorsement for it to be an objective fact. Take you partisan playbook and go back to spitting out amateurish garbage about a subject you know little about. You've been called out as a partisan hack you've responded with mangled mush. Shuffle on.

To quote Derby: You misunderstand.
What you interpret or assume is opposite to my words and my intent.

As you might imagine, I’m not exactly going to find a reference to Trudeau's unacceptable past behaviour on a Trudeau friendly site.
Them damned puffers are pretty good after all.

[Mustang1]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Mustang1 Mustang1:

ridenrain ridenrain:

Should Trudeau have been asked to resign for saying racist things in his past?

According to your hypocritical posts, no, because it was longer than 17 year prior to his Prime Ministerial tenure.

So... in trying to traverse you muddled logic, if its about a conservative making socially regressive comments, its subject to a statue of limitations, but if its about Trudeau or a Liberal, it's fair game forever. You got caught with a double standard. Get over it.

Typical unenlightened partisan junk. Shuffle on.

Come on mustang, you can't have it both ways. If Saint PET is okay to support fascists and then he's miraculously rehabilitated, then this idiot's drunken ramblings from 17 years ago should be given the same quarter.
Otherwise you are just as guilty at playing the partisan card as those you accuse of similar conduct.

As I previously mentioned, the world has changed a lot (mostly for the better) in 17 years.
Gays are no longer figures of fun or harassment as they were 20 or so years ago.
That’s why Gay Pride started. To counter the then mainstream views that were definitely less than inclusive towards gays and lesbians.

To judge this 17 year old incident using today’s standards is disingenuous.
The goal posts have moved considerably.
What was acceptable 17 years ago is now totally taboo. Let’s not get too ‘thought-police’ on this.
The guy’s apology was accepted by a fellow parliamentarian who is gay and a NDP member who is in a much better position to sit in judgement on this embarrassing episode than you or the baying mob on this forum and in the media.

Give the guy a break like the gay NDP MP has.

Where did I specifically say I did want it both ways? In fact, I actually wrote in reference to Trudeau, "They outlined his past and tried to integrate it into his character (which, i'm not exactly opposing)

I never once called for a resignation, but i did label his comments "socially regressive and bigoted". I stand by that conclusion.

Sorry, you've mistaken me for the other partisan hacks that operate on this forum.

I was merely pointing out the fact that some hold their political villains to a different standard than their ideological brethren. I have little time for double standards and even less for hypocritical apologists.

Oh...and 17 years ago is hardly ancient history (I'm certainly not guilty of retrospective errors) and those comments are indeed unenlightened junk - and in 1991, that's certainly the case (again...i'm not advocating for dismissal or formal actions, but i'm not falling for banal intellectual relativism)

[djakeydd]

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djakeydd djakeydd:

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djakeydd djakeydd:

nice clip Let's all admit it, homosexuality aside, all of Harper's crew are a bunch of fascist, rascist myopic bigots - sort of like most Albertans.

Why is it acceptable for Liberals to stereotype conservatives and Albertans?

funny considering the topic of this thread.

As I said, the apology is a joke, it is lip service. Most Albertans are conservative, they also share many of Harper's traits.

you just proved my point


do it again

Wrong answer, I am not a lib, nor ndp - so quit characterizing.

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djakeydd djakeydd:

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djakeydd djakeydd:

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djakeydd djakeydd:

nice clip Let's all admit it, homosexuality aside, all of Harper's crew are a bunch of fascist, rascist myopic bigots - sort of like most Albertans.

Why is it acceptable for Liberals to stereotype conservatives and Albertans?

funny considering the topic of this thread.

As I said, the apology is a joke, it is lip service. Most Albertans are conservative, they also share many of Harper's traits.

you just proved my point


do it again

Wrong answer, I am not a lib, nor ndp - so quit characterizing.

but you're still stereotyping conservatives and Albertans.

[Mustang1]

ridenrain ridenrain:

Mustang1 Mustang1:

Whoops! Apparently you're NOT going to address your little misstep after all...

ridenrain ridenrain:

I brought up Trudeau because I was looking for the same situation with the places reversed. As you refuse to mention, I didn't demand Trudeau be removed from power for what he said before.

Nope. Your quote and subsequent link actually did the opposite - they exposed your double standard. They outlined his past and tried to integrate it into his character (which, i'm not exactly opposing). You brought it up, not to exonerate him, but to hold him accountable - the exact opposite tact you took on page 1. Want your quote again?

$1:

You still haven’t proved any double standard.

Already have and I certainly don't need your intellectually stunted endorsement for it to be an objective fact. Take you partisan playbook and go back to spitting out amateurish garbage about a subject you know little about. You've been called out as a partisan hack you've responded with mangled mush. Shuffle on.

To quote Derby: You misunderstand.
What you interpret or assume is opposite to my words and my intent.

As you might imagine, I’m not exactly going to find a reference to Trudeau's unacceptable past behaviour on a Trudeau friendly site.
Them damned puffers are pretty good after all.

Actually, i didn't misunderstand insomuch as you misarticulated. It was a double standard - plain and simple.

Lukiwski made a bigoted comment 17 years ago and should be held accountable (not as a current standing MP though) as a public official. That doesn't mean he should resign or booted out of caucus, but it does call his character into question and is fair game to opposition parties. The same applies to anyone (regardless of party affiliations) who freely enters into the political arena.

[ShepherdsDog]

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djakeydd djakeydd:

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djakeydd djakeydd:

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djakeydd djakeydd:

nice clip Let's all admit it, homosexuality aside, all of Harper's crew are a bunch of fascist, rascist myopic bigots - sort of like most Albertans.

Why is it acceptable for Liberals to stereotype conservatives and Albertans?

funny considering the topic of this thread.

As I said, the apology is a joke, it is lip service. Most Albertans are conservative, they also share many of Harper's traits.

you just proved my point


do it again

Wrong answer, I am not a lib, nor ndp - so quit characterizing.

but you're still stereotyping conservatives and Albertans.

[ridenrain]

Isn’t that what I said? If you don’t like him, don’t vote for him.