[Thanos]

xerxes xerxes:

Thanos Thanos:

The childish fascination that liberal dilettantes from the 1970's still have with Marxist dictators is as equally pathetic as the need Cold Warrior conservatives still have to paint them as blood-soaked demons incapable of any human qualities at all. And there's probably no shortage today of right-wingers who are still more than willing to list off the greatness of the likes of Ferdinand Marcos, Suharto, Mobutu, a boatload of various Muslim despots, and the entirety of the Central/South American militarist meat-packing glitterati circa 1920 thru to today.

Even more recently. Look at all the righties who jerk off over Putin and Assad and their "strong leadership".

Yeah, I'm not juvenile enough to dispute the necessity of these creatures sometimes when the alternative is clearly worse, as in the case with Assad vs. ISIS. I'm not a party flunky either though and won't disgrace myself saying there's anything decent or admirable about them. It's not like I'm getting paid well to do the same sort of role like the think tank psychopaths that filled Ronald Reagan's head up with all sorts of "neat ideas*" about how to "fix" Nicaragua and El Salvador were doing. Or the neo-con Likudniks that got their hooks deep into Dubya and unleashed such foreign policy "success" on the world.

* exact words of Lt. Col. Oliver North "I thought it was a neat idea"

[Freakinoldguy]

xerxes xerxes:

Thanos Thanos:

The childish fascination that liberal dilettantes from the 1970's still have with Marxist dictators is as equally pathetic as the need Cold Warrior conservatives still have to paint them as blood-soaked demons incapable of any human qualities at all. And there's probably no shortage today of right-wingers who are still more than willing to list off the greatness of the likes of Ferdinand Marcos, Suharto, Mobutu, a boatload of various Muslim despots, and the entirety of the Central/South American militarist meat-packing glitterati circa 1920 thru to today.

Even more recently. Look at all the righties who jerk off over Putin and Assad and their "strong leadership".

I hadn't realised that Cuba was another Syria, Iraq or Libya. So, perhaps you could explain the downside to Cuba and the world of removing the dictatorial leadership of the Castro's and their lackeys?

[BRAH]

Truth.

[Delwin]

It's pretty hypocritical to criticize Castro while still doing business with China. A whole lot of self righteous b.s. Out of the usual camps.

As was mentioned, Battista was a butcher who killed thousands, Castro himself killed thousands during the revolution and during his reign which in my view was the only way he was going to hold on to his power.

It is convenient to believe that after overthrowing Battista he could have settled everyone down and held fair elections so everyone could live happily ever after but that is fantasy.

He was on the CIA hitlist and there is very little chance, even if the majority wanted him in power, he would have been able to do it fairly.

Let's face it, the US was not going to accept an election result they didn't like.

He held onto power the only way he could, with an iron fist. I don't think this means he loved his country any less. On the contrary, I think he believed that if he relinquished power, things would have went back to being run by foreign interests, and for the most part I think he was right, even to this day.

The fact that he wasn't elected really doesn't affect my opinion of him, it's no different than China or any of the "kingdoms" we do business with.

We still honour the Queen as an unelected head of state who's family had ruled for a long time before elections.

I view Castro as a tyrant, but a tyrant of circumstance. I see him as something of a tragic figure who played his hand the best way he could.

R.I.P.

[andyt]

Delwin Delwin:

I view Castro as a tyrant, but a tyrant of circumstance. I see him as something of a tragic figure who played his hand the best way he could.

R.I.P.

When you have the US seriously trying to fuck about in your business, playing by Marquess of Queensberry will just get you dead and your country back under rightie dicator control. Because "he may be a son of a bitch, but he's our son of a bitch." By the logic we've seen posted on this forum, none of the righties had a problem with Batista, since not once did they comment on it. But Fidel, now he's foam worthy.

[shockedcanadian]

andyt andyt:

Delwin Delwin:

I view Castro as a tyrant, but a tyrant of circumstance. I see him as something of a tragic figure who played his hand the best way he could.

R.I.P.

When you have the US seriously trying to fuck about in your business, playing by Marquess of Queensberry will just get you dead and your country back under rightie dicator control. Because "he may be a son of a bitch, but he's our son of a bitch." By the logic we've seen posted on this forum, none of the righties had a problem with Batista, since not once did they comment on it. But Fidel, now he's foam worthy.

Certainly both leaders were equally brutal. There is a major distinction though. Castro was in power 49 years! 49 YEARS!?! That a very long reign of terror impacting generations. He also allowed nuclear weapons to be miles from America, in and of itself the biggest National Security threat to both America and Cuba in their history. He is lucky America didn't have a Hawk in power at the time or Cuba might have gone the way of the Dodo bird. Certainly America had every right to take such measures.

He became angry at Russia for removing the nukes, an illustration of how insane and suicidal he was. Then happily became a Russian sponsored satellite, worth nearly a billion dollars; through no business success of his own, while his people starved. He was a typical dictator, brutal, unwelcoming of any dissent and very wealthy while his people suffered.


I heard Newt Gingrinch suggest that the average Cuban today drives a car that is 30 years old and it would cost them about 100 years of work on average to buy a low end new American car. While political prisoners are rotting in a cold cell and the only areas that appear nice are those that are designed for tourists. I remember I had a chance to go to Cuba a few years ago, I took the principled position I always try to take, "no way in hell I'm visiting a communist nation, they won't get a dollar from me". Thousand fled from Castro to the shores of America, and many of these people were dancing in Miami upon the news.

Yeah, socialists really care about their people. When a government leader tells you they are going to take care of you that means that they will be the biggest winners. How about staying out of citizens business and let the free market thrive, people can take care of themselves. Social nets are vital but they shouldn't be lifelong offerings of dependence and ownership. Every one of these communist politicians are an insult, to their lineage and their citizens.

If I were in Miami I would be dancing with these Cubans, they are alright by me.

[BRAH]

shockedcanadian shockedcanadian:

andyt andyt:

Delwin Delwin:

I view Castro as a tyrant, but a tyrant of circumstance. I see him as something of a tragic figure who played his hand the best way he could.

R.I.P.

When you have the US seriously trying to fuck about in your business, playing by Marquess of Queensberry will just get you dead and your country back under rightie dicator control. Because "he may be a son of a bitch, but he's our son of a bitch." By the logic we've seen posted on this forum, none of the righties had a problem with Batista, since not once did they comment on it. But Fidel, now he's foam worthy.

Certainly both leaders were equally brutal. There is a major distinction though. Castro was in power 49 years! 49 YEARS!?! That a very long reign of terror impacting generations. He also allowed nuclear weapons to be miles from America, in and of itself the biggest National Security threat to both America and Cuba in their history. He is lucky America didn't have a Hawk in power at the time or Cuba might have gone the way of the Dodo bird. Certainly America had every right to take such measures.

He became angry at Russia for removing the nukes, an illustration of how insane and suicidal he was. Then happily became a Russian sponsored satellite, worth nearly a billion dollars; through no business success of his own, while his people starved. He was a typical dictator, brutal, unwelcoming of any dissent and very wealthy while his people suffered.


I heard Newt Gingrinch suggest that the average Cuban today drives a car that is 30 years old and it would cost them about 100 years of work on average to buy a low end new American car. While political prisoners are rotting in a cold cell and the only areas that appear nice are those that are designed for tourists. I remember I had a chance to go to Cuba a few years ago, I took the principled position I always try to take, "no way in hell I'm visiting a communist nation, they won't get a dollar from me". Thousand fled from Castro to the shores of America, and many of these people were dancing in Miami upon the news.

Yeah, socialists really care about their people. When a government leader tells you they are going to take care of you that means that they will be the biggest winners. How about staying out of citizens business and let the free market thrive, people can take care of themselves. Social nets are vital but they shouldn't be lifelong offerings of dependence and ownership. Every one of these communist politicians are an insult, to their lineage and their citizens.

If I were in Miami I would be dancing with these Cubans, they are alright by me.

Cuba isn't going to change anytime soon because there's 10 more Fidel and Raul Castro's in the Military waiting.

[Thanos]

No, if it's that hated by the common folks they'll knock it down as quickly as the East Germans did when they got the opportunity.

[BRAH]

Thanos Thanos:

No, if it's that hated by the common folks they'll knock it down as quickly as the East Germans did when they got the opportunity.

Does the average Cuban who hasn't been oppressed by Castro's regime like their life the way it is? The answer isn't easy with the MSM spin. The same question could be asked about China, Iran, Russia, Saudi Arabia etc.

[andyt]

The East Bloc fell so quickly because the Russians did not roll tanks the way they had done before. And my guess is that Raoul would also hesitate to go in full supressive mode. The problem is Trump. With Obama's thawing of relations, the people would have seen the benefits of gradualism towards democracy. Now that little hands is in the white house, that hope may have vanished.

[BeaverFever]

$1:

Cuba isn't going to change anytime soon because there's 10 more Fidel and Raul Castro's in the Military waiting.

. You say that based on what?!?!?

[andyt]

BRAH BRAH:

Thanos Thanos:

No, if it's that hated by the common folks they'll knock it down as quickly as the East Germans did when they got the opportunity.

Does the average Cuban who hasn't been oppressed by Castro's regime like their life the way it is? The answer isn't easy with the MSM spin.

Just go to Breitbart or Facebook. I'm sure you can get "the truth" there.

[2Cdo]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Bullshit. Pure bullshit.

Must be all those right-wing SJW's on university campuses and supporting organizations like the Liberal and Democrat party.

[BRAH]

andyt andyt:

BRAH BRAH:

Thanos Thanos:

No, if it's that hated by the common folks they'll knock it down as quickly as the East Germans did when they got the opportunity.

Does the average Cuban who hasn't been oppressed by Castro's regime like their life the way it is? The answer isn't easy with the MSM spin.

Just go to Breitbart or Facebook. I'm sure you can get "the truth" there.

There's more truth on there than on the MSM.

[andyt]

BRAH BRAH:

andyt andyt:

BRAH BRAH:

Does the average Cuban who hasn't been oppressed by Castro's regime like their life the way it is? The answer isn't easy with the MSM spin.

Just go to Breitbart or Facebook. I'm sure you can get "the truth" there.

There's more truthiness on there than on the MSM.

FTFY. Funny how that term hasn't come up yet - seems to fit the times perfectly.