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Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 4:56 am
Yanukovych has fled for Russified eastern Ukraine, where the vast bulk of his support base is. Governments in the west of the country are rejecting his authority and parliament in Kyiv is looking to send him packing.
Partition (de facto) is looking like a real possibility.
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Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:27 am
 Oh gosh, what you write... What nazi? Why you add Tymoshenko here? Are you crazy?. You remind me small town old ladies whose main entertaiment is to speak about something, where there are not enought facts they just imagine. 1) I can sure say that it's not nazi, it's just people from gym who decide to earn money. Some people pay them for taking part in this action. Media needs hot stuff, short hair cut guy is not always nazi. 2) Tymoshenko sits in prison and 90% people who protest don't care about her life. She is probably not second Nelson Mandela. If you think that she is holy I'll crash your opinion. People want changes, good changes. P.S. Don't write bullshit, will ome back in two month. Always yours, care yourself, PF.
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Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:48 am
PostFactum PostFactum: P.S. Don't write bullshit, will ome back in two month. Always yours, care yourself, PF.
PD/ Mr C. / dumbshit kid, you might want to really read that bit. Good to hear you are OK, PF, we've been thinking about you. 
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Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:06 am
Getting interesting.... protest in Kharkov, where Yanukovich is having meetings. People are at airports, checking to see if officials are trying to leave the country. People also moving to Yanukovich's private little dacha.  nice house.  Unconfirmed rumours Yanukovich has resigned.
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Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 8:07 am
Haven't heard he's resigned, but he's calling the deal a coup. Bunch of high tankers have resigned - won't shoot on their own people. This is how Syria started. 
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Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 8:41 am
Certain Ukrainian security forces will not do Yanukovych's dirty work anymore. http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/#!/content/1.2547352$1: The security bodies balking at remaining part of the conflict represent the paratroop unit of the military, the Berkut anti-riot police, Alfa special operations unit and military intelligence.
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andyt
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Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 8:54 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson: andyt andyt: The EU also signed off on this, but not Russia. Those some protesters includes the extreme right which has been responsible for most of the violence. You're watching too much RT News. According to the Russians anyone opposed to their sock-puppet dictator is a fascist. This is not a right/left issue for the simple fact that its an ethnic divide that's driving this confrontation. It's Ukrainians against Russians, not right against left. You deny that Ukraine has right wing parties, and that the extreme right is responsible for most of the protester violence? You live in la la land. $1: This is the headquarters of Pravy Sektor, or Right Sector, the ultra-right-wing movement, described by some as fascist, whose hundreds of soldiers (they call themselves an army) have become the sharp edge of the two-month-old protest movement that has upturned the politics of Ukraine, cost several lives and forced President Viktor Yanukovych to dismiss the government and promise to reform the constitution.
The great majority of the hundreds of thousands of “EuroMaidan” protesters – who have rallied against Mr. Yanukovych’s rejection of a European Union treaty and his moves toward a deal with Russia – appear to be either supporters of conventional, centrist or liberal opposition political parties, or pro-European citizens without much interest in party politics at all.
But the physical organization of these protests, the building of barricades around squares, much of the camp construction and policing, and the pitched and sometimes deadly battles with police are almost entirely the work of the extreme right. In some of Ukraine’s smaller cities, the local protests and seizures of government buildings appear to have been entirely the work of Pravy Sektor.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/wor ... e16761189/$1: The violent anti-government street protests that have rocked the Eastern European nation of Ukraine include a smorgasbord of opposition groups and dissenters who strongly object to the rule of President Viktor Yanukovych and the purported influence of Russian leader Vladimir Putin on the nation’s affairs. Clashes between rioters and police have already killed at least 25 people and wounded more than 250.
The most controversial element of the anti-government alliance is Svoboda (Freedom), an extreme right-wing political party that not only has representation in parliament, but has been dubbed by its critics as a neo-Nazi organization. Britain’s Channel 4 News reported that Svoboda has assumed a “leading role” in the street protests in Kiev, with affiliated paramilitary groups prominently involved in the disturbances. Svoboda flags and banners have been featured in the demonstrations at Kiev’s Independence Square. During the continuing street riots, one Svoboda MP, Igor Myroshnychenko, created an iconic moment of sorts when he allegedly helped to topple the statue of Vladimir Lenin outside a government building, followed by its occupation by protesters.
However, despite its extremist rhetoric, Svoboda cannot be called a "fringe" party – indeed, it currently occupies 36 seats in the 450-member Ukrainian parliament, granting it status as the fourth-largest party in the country. Further, Svoboda is linked to other far-right groups across Europe through its membership in the Alliance of European National Movements, which includes the British National Party (BNP) of the United Kingdom and Jobbik, the neo-fascist, anti-Semitic and anti-Roma party of Hungary. The leader of Svoboda, Oleh Tyahnybok, who has appeared at the Kiev protests, has a long history of making inflammatory anti-Semitic statements, including the accusation during a 2004 speech before parliament that Ukraine is controlled by a “Muscovite-Jewish mafia.” Miroshnychenko also called the Ukrainian-born American film actress Mila Kunis a “dirty Jewess.”
Tyahnybok has also claimed that “organized Jewry” dominate Ukrainian media and government, have enriched themselves through criminal activities and plan to engineer a “genocide” upon the Christian Ukrainian population. Another top Svoboda member, Yuriy Mykhalchyshyn, a deputy in parliament, often quotes Nazi Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels, as well as other Third Reich luminaries like Ernst Rohm and Gregor Strasser.
In response to Svoboda’s anti-Semitic rhetoric, the World Jewish Congress has called for the party to be banned. Indeed, some public events for Ukraine’s tiny Jewish community have recently been canceled over fears of violence. At least two Jews, including an Orthodox student named Dovbear Glickman, have been attacked and beaten by gangs recently – although these assaults have not been linked directly to Svoboda.
In the meantime, if Svoboda and other far-right groups gain greater exposure through their involvement in the protests, there are fears they could gain more sympathy and support from a public grown weary of political corruption and Russian influence on Ukraine.
European and Israeli leaders expressed shock in October 2012, when Svoboda gained more than 10 percent of the electorate in parliamentary elections, entering the legislature for the first time. (In some western regions of Ukraine, Svoboda gained as much as 40 percent of the vote.) As recently as the 2007 parliamentary elections, Svoboda garnered less than 1 percent of the total vote. Founded in 1991 as the Social-National Party of Ukraine, Svoboda has apparently appealed to hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians tired of economic woes and rampant corruption in government. Reports also suggest that the party has derived significant support from the well educated and the young, who suffer from high unemployment...... http://www.ibtimes.com/euromaidan-dark- ... ts-1556654
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Kazakh
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Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 10:27 am
Poor Ukraine, I sincerely wish from all my heart that they get honest, wise and just leadership once and for all... And also for the violence, looting, lawlessness, anarchy and killings etc to end very soon. My wife's uncle with family live there and they don't care about politics, they just want a stable, peaceful life and good jobs. That's all they care about, and 99.99% of the population. And they are so angry at whoever started and supported this whole anti-government rioting thing and killing etc. Just a general opinion of an outsider looking from afar, this whole situation was mostly provoked and organized by the USA. I listened to what Victoria Noland the US deputy secretary of state said in Kiyv, and from that it is absolutely obvious the so-called "opposition" are their agents of influence, or puppets under their total control. Also, the loads of money paid at the Maidan, in brand-new freshly printed US bills. It doesn't surprise me as it's perfectly in line with what the US has been actively doing in and around Russia in the past 20-30 years. It's a war, it never ended, and the purpose is complete collapse and subjugation of Russia to the USA. I repeat, it's just my humble opinion and not the final and only truth.  Yanukovich is a crook for sure, but he was legally and democratically elected. He is a very weak super corrupted leader who only cared about money and robbing his people. All in all, just feeling so sorry this is going on there. Visited Kiyv many times, lovely place, wonderful people.
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Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 10:52 am
Kazakh Kazakh: Also, the loads of money paid .....
Yanukovich is a crook for sure,. The only part of your post that may be true... Guess who lives in this house...    
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Kazakh
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Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 10:58 am
martin14 martin14: Guess who lives in this house... Sadly, ALL of the former USSR leaders are exactly like that... Mind you, most leaders in the world... This is the sad reality of the world we live in. However, talking about the current events, somebody started and have been supporting them. Good old USA. All facts and logic of the recent history.
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Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 4:22 pm
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andyt
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Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 4:26 pm
"If you could see her through my eyes"....
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andyt
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Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 4:49 pm
$1: The government of Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovich has been impeached and new elections will be held on May 25, reports Ukrainian news agencies. Parliament has voted, with a majority of 328, to pass a special resolution removing Yanukovych from office. Parliament arranged the release of Yanukovych's arch-rival, former Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko, who was on her way to Kyiv to join the protesters. She promised to run for president, and said she will “make it so that no drop of blood that was spilled will be forgotten.”
Yanukovych said he would not recognize any of the lawmakers' decisions as valid. He left Kyiv for his support base in the country's Russian-speaking east, where lawmakers questioned the legitimacy of the newly empowered legislature and called for volunteer militias to uphold order. Photos View photos Former Ukrainian Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko is greeted by supporters shortly after being freed from prison in Kharkiv, Ukraine.zoom “They are trying to scare me. I have no intention to leave the country. I am not going to resign; I'm the legitimately elected president,” Yanukovych said in a televised statement, clearly shaken and with long pauses in his speaking. “Everything that is happening today is, to a greater degree, vandalism and banditry and a coup d'etat,” he said. “I will do everything to protect my country from breakup, to stop bloodshed.” British Foreign Secretary said via Twitter on Saturday that Britain will stand with Germany and support a new government in Ukraine while working together to tackle Ukraine's massive debt problems by pushing for an International Monetary Fund financial package.
Russian representatives are in Kharkiv, meeting with Yanukovych, reports the Guardian. The quickly shifting political landscape in Ukraine now threatens the security of all of Eastern and Central Europe. In the south of Ukraine, Crimea, which is 59 per cent Russian speaking, is seeking help from Moscow. Russia Today is reports politicians from Crimea and the east are gathering in Kharkiv, saying the deal announced by European Union officials on Friday is no longer valid and they will not be ruled from Kyiv. All of these changes come not even 24 hours after a compromise was signed between opposition leaders and Yanukovych’s government. The agreement was brokered by the foreign ministers of Poland, France and Germany and it returns Ukraine to a parliamentary-presidential republic. However, the Russian special envoy present for the negotiations refused to sign the deal as a witness. Russia had offered to give Ukraine $15 billion in order to financially rescue the cash-strapped nation of 46 million, but, only if the former Soviet bloc country turned away from greater economic ties with the EU.
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Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 5:35 am
Speaker Oleksandr Turchynov has been voted interm president by the Ukrainian parliament. Elections to be held on 25th of May.
Yanukovych is still on the lam.
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Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 6:48 am
Yanukovych tried to buy his way out of an airport in Donetsk according to NBC. Border Officials wouldnt take the bribe.
Still on the move.
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