[ShepherdsDog]

Optics are important and as pointed out, this is what this was about. The RCMP is extremely touchy about its image due to recent controversies-screw ups. He was told not to smoke up while in uniform, and not only did he thumb his nose at this, but he put on his dress uniform and lit up for the media, which was done for solely for attention whoring purposes. This is what got him in trouble, not the use of a legal prescription narcotic.

[Gunnair]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Optics are important and as pointed out, this is what this was about. The RCMP is extremely touchy about its image due to recent controversies-screw ups. He was told not to smoke up while in uniform, and not only did he thumb his nose at this, but he put on his dress uniform and lit up for the media, which was done for solely for attention whoring purposes. This is what got him in trouble, not the use of a legal prescription narcotic.

Understood. Removing his uniforms with the attendant negative media attention that went with it didn't fix the optics of the issue either. When gets into trouble in the RCMP,just like the military, there are hearings and disciplinary panels - not a couple of shame faced patrol officers ringing the bell and demanding the guys uniforms without any pretense of due process. Wouldn't fly for a moment in the CAF and I doubt it'll fly far for the RCMP. A degree of attention whoring to make his point? Sure. Ham-fisted overkill by RCMP brass to make a point. Yep.

[OnTheIce]

Curtman Curtman:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Anti-depressants don't leave you impaired like pot or other strong pain medications do.

Yuh-huh they do.

$1:

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Antidepressants can increase the risk of suicidal thinking and behavior in children, adolescents, and young adults. Patients of all ages who are started on antidepressants or are taking a new dose should be watched closely for clinical worsening, suicidality, or unusual behavior.

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Paxil may cause you to become drowsy or less alert and may affect your judgment. Therefore, driving or operating dangerous machinery or participating in any hazardous activity that requires full mental alertness is not recommended

Yes, because everyone drinks cough syrup like water. You can try to compare apples to oranges all day, it's not going to work.

[andyt]

Anti-histamines cause drowsiness too. All sort of OTC and prescribed drugs cause problems. What you don't get is that at 3 grams a day, this guy is not getting whacked out of his mind either. But I know, one toke of the demon weed and you're incapable of functioning, right?

[OnTheIce]

andyt andyt:

Anti-histamines cause drowsiness too. All sort of OTC and prescribed drugs cause problems. What you don't get is that at 3 grams a day, this guy is not getting whacked out of his mind either. But I know, one toke of the demon weed and you're incapable of functioning, right?

Andy, leave your empty rhetoric at the door. Demon weed?

What you don't get is that you're not a psychic.

Who are you to say how he reacts to a certain amount of any drug? You have no idea.

Bottom line, if you have to smoke drugs multiple times a day or take strong medication of any type to treat a medical problem....stay home and get yourself better.

[andyt]

Who are you say he should stay home, when the RCMP said it was OK for him to work while using the drug? Who are you to say how he's reacting to it?

[ShepherdsDog]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

andyt andyt:

Anti-histamines cause drowsiness too. All sort of OTC and prescribed drugs cause problems. What you don't get is that at 3 grams a day, this guy is not getting whacked out of his mind either. But I know, one toke of the demon weed and you're incapable of functioning, right?

Andy, leave your empty rhetoric at the door. Demon weed?

What you don't get is that you're not a psychic.

Who are you to say how he reacts to a certain amount of any drug? You have no idea.

Bottom line, if you have to smoke drugs multiple times a day or take strong medication of any type to treat a medical problem....stay home and get yourself better.

There are some ailments that require stronger medication that one just doesn`t recover from, especially those who cope with chronic pain due to an injury or degenerative neurological condition.

[OnTheIce]

andyt andyt:

Who are you say he should stay home, when the RCMP said it was OK for him to work while using the drug? Who are you to say how he's reacting to it?

So the RCMP is right all the time? I guess they're right to take away his uniform too if we're going to make blanket statements.

Some people 'hold their booze' well just as those don't get affected by certain amount of weed. Does that mean we allow them to drink/smoke before, during and after work and drive too and from work? Just sounds bad...and likely is.

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

There are some ailments that require stronger medication that one just doesn`t recover from, especially those who cope with chronic pain due to an injury or degenerative neurological condition.

So, the bottom line is, if someone has a chronic condition that requires them to drug up before they leave their house, you're OK with them putting themselves and others at risk due to their medication?

[andyt]

What risk is this man putting anybody in?

[OnTheIce]

andyt andyt:

What risk is this man putting anybody in?

Getting stoned and driving isn't a problem?

[andyt]

He's not driving on company time. As for driving to/from work, just as it's legal to drink and drive, just not be over the limit, it's legal to toke and drive, just not be impaired (no legal set limit for pot). There you go with your, he must be wasted thoughts again, can't accept that he's not wacked out of his tree, anymore than somebody using anti-histamines, pain killers or many other drugs. If everybody did what you're saying, the economy would grind to a halt, since so many people take one drug or another. How do you feel about somebody on SSRI's with heightened suicide risk driving or flying an airplane or what have you?

[ShepherdsDog]

Have you ever had a glass of wine with lunch and driven somewhere. That is about as intoxicated as he was. It`s aggressive assholes that are a bigger danger on the road. y problem with this entire affair has been his arrogance. It was his entire `fuck you, you can`t tell ME what to do!` attitude that made agree with what happened to him.

As for people using drugs on the job, the next time you pick up anything, consider that it was likely shipped by semi. Truckers are notorious for meth use....the next time you visit an ER, that haggard looking ER intern with the red rimmed eyes who has been going straight for 30+ hours with 10 minutes of sleep....plenty of them use Ford Frost to cope with the hours and stress. When watching the news about combat missions in sand bandit land, ask yourself how combat troops keep functioning. Meth was used by plenty of aircrews during combat missions in WWII too

[Thanos]

Ford Frost. Heh.

Ford Frosted Flakes, with a picture of Hiz Honour and Walter White both giving the thumbs up and "they're grrrrrrrrreat!".

[Jabberwalker]

$1:

A degree of attention whoring to make his point?

There lies his sin. If you have a beef, don't drag the uniform into it to use as a prop.

[OnTheIce]

andyt andyt:

He's not driving on company time. As for driving to/from work, just as it's legal to drink and drive, just not be over the limit, it's legal to toke and drive, just not be impaired (no legal set limit for pot). There you go with your, he must be wasted thoughts again, can't accept that he's not wacked out of his tree, anymore than somebody using anti-histamines, pain killers or many other drugs. If everybody did what you're saying, the economy would grind to a halt, since so many people take one drug or another. How do you feel about somebody on SSRI's with heightened suicide risk driving or flying an airplane or what have you?

The only one that keeps using the terms "whacked out" and demon weed are you.

The difference between cough syrup and SSRI's is that the reactions you speak of aren't common. Your using worst case scenarios and rare side effects to compare them to the effects of pot that are typical and common.

This is an endless circle jerk of futility. Weed is a harmless medicine. Point taken.