[Brenda]

Just Texas, Andy, please.
This is not a 'pro or anti death penalty'-thread.
Let's not make it that.

[andyt]

Sounds like lots of pro death penalty opinions have been expressed, so I think you're a little late.

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commanderkai commanderkai:

*Shrugs* They'll find something else. I have little sympathy for the various forms of human filth of death row.

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martin14 martin14:

Brenda Brenda:

Air works just fine. And is cheap.

A rope is more fun to watch.

That or 4 horses.

Ad nauseum.

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[Brenda]

andyt andyt:

Sounds like lots of pro death penalty opinions have been expressed, so I think you're a little late.

5 posts in:

commanderkai commanderkai:

*Shrugs* They'll find something else. I have little sympathy for the various forms of human filth of death row.

Post 8:

martin14 martin14:

Brenda Brenda:

Air works just fine. And is cheap.

A rope is more fun to watch.

That or 4 horses.

Ad nauseum.

Nah, it has nothing to do with pro-death penalty, but more with entertainment or cost-reducing measures.

Do I state with my 'Air is cheaper' that I am pro-death penalty? I'm not. But hey, it is their state, their law. They're not going to change the law because one kind of 'medication' is out of stock.

[andyt]

Execution as entertainment. Nice.

[Brenda]

andyt andyt:

Execution as entertainment. Nice.

That's as old as Rome. Or even older.

[stratos]

$1:

One of the 10 Commandments states : "Thou shalt not kill".

This is directed at the individual not the nation of Israel. In the other 300+ commandments it goes on to say how one should deal with those who break a commandment this includes death. Thus the death penalty is authorized by God to be used by the state not the individual.

$1:

The UN Declaration of Human Rights has come along since the Bible was written.

Yet you have constantly used the Bible as an example. The UN is not a state it is not a country and can you show me any and I do mean any state that is run by the UN and has 0 crime rate? Has equal treatment of all people. If you look closely on how the UN itself implements their policy they ignore the rights of a 3rd world country and insist that the other nations role in and control said countries on behalf of the UN while at the same time distancing itself from the ramifications.

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Dingoes...wild dogs.
If dingoes[or foxes etc]were killing your lambs, what would you do?

Well according to you they should be locked up and treated humanely don't you dare touch them don't you dare kill them even though they are killing off others.

But seeing has how Austrila kills them you should be over there bitching about the treatment of them instead of demanding others do as you say not as you do. But hey Japan needs to listen to your dribble and do as you say.

[bambu]

stratos stratos:

$1:

One of the 10 Commandments states : "Thou shalt not kill".

This is directed at the individual not the nation of Israel. In the other 300+ commandments it goes on to say how one should deal with those who break a commandment this includes death. Thus the death penalty is authorized by God to be used by the state not the individual.

$1:

The UN Declaration of Human Rights has come along since the Bible was written.

Yet you have constantly used the Bible as an example. The UN is not a state it is not a country and can you show me any and I do mean any state that is run by the UN and has 0 crime rate? Has equal treatment of all people. If you look closely on how the UN itself implements their policy they ignore the rights of a 3rd world country and insist that the other nations role in and control said countries on behalf of the UN while at the same time distancing itself from the ramifications.

And Texas is a crime free state?

Crime is alive in death chamber central Texas.
This "execution-homicides stop crime and keep us all safe" is just pure baloney.

The People are the state, remember.
Therefore "Thou shalt not kill" applies.

In the last decade the number of nations execution-homiciding human beings has dropped by 30%

One day we'll 'get' Texas too.

[bambu]

$1:

commanderkai wrote:
*Shrugs* They'll find something else. I have little sympathy for the various forms of human filth of death row.

It's not about sympathy...it's all about what the state is doing, in the name of the People.

Not everyone on death row is 'human filth', many are innocent.
All convicteds must be kept alive to make certain that no innocent person is ever wheeled out of a death chamber dead.

The 8 American men who were once on death row in America [waiting for the day they'd be exterminated] I saw on my midday tv live variety program a couple of decades ago...were all innocent, and had been released.
I was horrified that they might've been wrongly killed by the state.
I wasn't the only one.



Sabrina Butler was on death row.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabrina_Butler

[stratos]

$1:

And Texas is a crime free state?

Never said it was, yet you claim a UN based one is better.

$1:

Crime is alive in death chamber central Texas.
This "execution-homicides stop crime and keep us all safe" is just pure baloney.

Please look up Kenneth McDuff and tell me how not killing him saved lives.

$1:

The People are the state, remember.
Therefore "Thou shalt not kill" applies.

Stop picking and choosing the Bible and how you apply it. Either you wish to use the bible as a moral ground to stand on or you don't. To try and manipulate this conversation with the bible is an utter fail when it comes to me.

$1:

In the last decade the number of nations execution-homiciding human beings has dropped by 30%

Good for them now show me the study of how many inmates these murderers have killed along with the guards they have attacked and possibly killed.

$1:

One day we'll 'get' Texas too.

I don't think you will ever accomplish anything significant in your life based on how you have presented yourself here on the CKA threads.

[bambu]

stratos stratos:

$1:

And Texas is a crime free state?

Never said it was, yet you claim a UN based one is better.

$1:

Crime is alive in death chamber central Texas.
This "execution-homicides stop crime and keep us all safe" is just pure baloney.

Please look up Kenneth McDuff and tell me how not killing him saved lives.

$1:

The People are the state, remember.
Therefore "Thou shalt not kill" applies.

Stop picking and choosing the Bible and how you apply it. Either you wish to use the bible as a moral ground to stand on or you don't. To try and manipulate this conversation with the bible is an utter fail when it comes to me.

$1:

In the last decade the number of nations execution-homiciding human beings has dropped by 30%

Good for them now show me the study of how many inmates these murderers have killed along with the guards they have attacked and possibly killed.

$1:

One day we'll 'get' Texas too.

I don't think you will ever accomplish anything significant in your life based on how you have presented yourself here on the CKA threads.

I choose to select the 6th Commandement "Thou shalt not kill".
You choose to select another part of the Bible.

100% guard-safe and inmate-safe prisons can be built.

Depends on your idea of 'significant'.
Anyway, it's not about whether I've 'passed' or 'failed' the 'accomplish anything significant' test.....it's about what the state of Texas is doing.

[bambu]

$1:

Please look up Kenneth McDuff and tell me how not killing him saved lives.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_McDuff#Post-release_crimes

McDuff received three death sentences and Green received a 25-year prison sentence. However, McDuff's death sentences were commuted to a life sentence. At that time, a life sentence in Texas meant serving a minimum of 10 years in prison before being paroled.

Ultimately Green served 13 years before being paroled. While incarcerated, McDuff was twice sent to the electric chair, but both times received last minute stays of execution.


Ah yes, ye old electric chair...frying human beings to death.
Torture to the max.

Wanna blame someone for the deaths of McDuff's post-release victims, then blame the state of Texas for not having life sentences no parole for inmates as an alternative to death sentences .

[Xort]

bambu bambu:

I was horrified that they might've been wrongly killed by the state.

I'm horrified that they were in jail. You seem to think that people can sit in jail for half their life and if you let them out with some cash it's fine.

I hate the thought that goes: "Well it's not going to kill them if I'm wrong, so guilty."

The idea that you can let someone go if something proves them to be innocent later is bone chillingly wrong.

[bambu]

Xort Xort:

bambu bambu:

I was horrified that they might've been wrongly killed by the state.

I'm horrified that they were in jail. You seem to think that people can sit in jail for half their life and if you let them out with some cash it's fine.

I hate the thought that goes: "Well it's not going to kill them if I'm wrong, so guilty."

The idea that you can let someone go if something proves them to be innocent later is bone chillingly wrong.

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Nah, but it's a whole lot better than allowing the state to kill innocent people just because pig-headed prosecutors and courts refuse to consider that they might be fallibe and have 'got it wrong'.

I don't agree with having 6 person juries.
Nor 10 out of 12 deciding a verdict.

[stratos]

$1:

100% guard-safe and inmate-safe prisons can be built.

This one sentence shows me just how little you know of jails and criminals.