[stratos]

Under this law would someone wearing a bandana because of the CS gas being shot at them as they march in a protest be a criminal?

[OnTheIce]

stratos stratos:

Under this law would someone wearing a bandana because of the CS gas being shot at them as they march in a protest be a criminal?

If you're in a "protest" where cops are firing gas at you and you continue to stick around and cover your face to protect yourself from the gas...you're breaking the law and shouldn't be there anyways....so yes.

[stratos]

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If you're in a "protest" where cops are firing gas at you and you continue to stick around and cover your face to protect yourself from the gas...you're breaking the law and shouldn't be there anyways....so yes.

so now peacefull protesters are criminals along with the thugs causing the problems. So much for freedom of speach.

[Thanos]

No one concealing their features at a rally is interested in peaceful protest. They're using the rally to cover their true intent at vandalism and to attack police officers. And too often those other "peaceful protesters", who share almost all the same politics as the ones intent of causing violence, are helping the rioters out because if it descends into a riot the police are almost always blamed before the protesters are.

There are no legal rights to conceal your identity during the commission of a crime and there are no legal rights to engage in a destructive riot. This is not that difficult to understand for anyone capable of rubbing a couple of their brain cells together.

[stratos]

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There are no legal rights to conceal your identity during the commission of a crime and there are no legal rights to engage in a destructive riot. This is not that difficult to understand for anyone capable of rubbing a couple of their brain cells together.

To me it's just a way to stack another charge on someone. Does Canada have a 3 strikes rule?

[Wolf1412]

stratos stratos:

Under this law would someone wearing a bandana because of the CS gas being shot at them as they march in a protest be a criminal?

The first question should be WHY are the cops firing CS in the first place

[stratos]

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The first question should be WHY are the cops firing CS in the first place

Because a few A-holes decide to trash out stores during a protest while 90% of the protesters have no inclination to cause damage. They then are confronted by police in riot gear, order to leave even though most have done nothing wrong. The police don't like not having their orders not obeyed so they pop some CS gas and call it a riot.

[Wolf1412]

stratos stratos:

$1:

The first question should be WHY are the cops firing CS in the first place

Because a few A-holes decide to trash out stores during a protest while 90% of the protesters have no inclination to cause damage. They then are confronted by police in riot gear, order to leave even though most have done nothing wrong. The police don't like not having their orders not obeyed so they pop some CS gas and call it a riot.

If a propane tank is on fire you don't stand around to see what will happen next. Personally if I was in an area when a riot broke out I'd go someplace else, not stand around to see if the cops are going to respond. Been on the receiving end of CS, Mace and OC if I can avoid it in the future, I will

[stratos]

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Personally if I was in an area when a riot broke out I'd go someplace else, not stand around to see if the cops are going to respond. Been on the receiving end of CS, Mace and OC if I can avoid it in the future, I will

Yet what constitues a riot, not all agree. Some times it just a large group of marchers chanting slogans as they march down a street. Some jerks in the middle of the group bust out some store windows. Police are called out being told that its a riot.

[Unsound]

The problem for the cops is that if they act too soon then they're "harrassing innocent protesters", but if they wait then they "stood by while a riot started". No win situation. During the play-offs in 2006 the cops here went the stand-by route to start with and quickly learned that if they're going to get flak either way it's better to just break things up and move people along before the fires are lit.

[Wolf1412]

OK I do agree to an extent but why do those that are involved in the legal protest not themselves deal with the few miscreants and hand them over to the local cops. Once mob mentality settles in you are dealing with a whole new animal in which chaos rules.

I most cases those involved in a legal protest have no intent of illegal actions, why do the protest leaders allow these shitheads to get involved? their failure to control there own legal actions make then guilty by association and usually ends up defeating their original intent.

Furthermore the police do not just show up and start deploying water canons and tear gas. Standard procedure is to identify themselves and ask the crowd to disperse or further action will be implemented, usually a number of times. Its a no brainer as far as I am concerned, disperse and reorganize to try another day or you get the high pressure shower and a night in cells.

I have dealt with protests and riots and I hate having to do it. there is nothing more frustrating then a crowd of shitheads who state they are doing nothing wrong when they clearly are.

[OnTheIce]

stratos stratos:

$1:

If you're in a "protest" where cops are firing gas at you and you continue to stick around and cover your face to protect yourself from the gas...you're breaking the law and shouldn't be there anyways....so yes.

so now peacefull protesters are criminals along with the thugs causing the problems. So much for freedom of speach.

People that attend peaceful protests don't pack gear like masks and disguises.

When a peaceful protest turns into a riot, go home. Why would anyone stay around and support such behaviour?

[Unsound]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

When a peaceful protest turns into a riot, go home. Why would anyone stay around and support such behaviour?

It can be extraordinarily difficult to get out of the middle of a crowd of thousands with cops around the edges. just sayin'

[OnTheIce]

Unsound Unsound:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

When a peaceful protest turns into a riot, go home. Why would anyone stay around and support such behaviour?

It can be extraordinarily difficult to get out of the middle of a crowd of thousands with cops around the edges. just sayin'

If you're still in the middle of the crowd by the time it's surrounded by cops, perhaps you should consider paying attention and leaving when the shit starts.

Police tend to push crowds away...I doubt if you head the opposite way to go home that a cop will force you back into the crowd they're trying to disperse. Makes no sense.

[Unsound]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

If you're still in the middle of the crowd by the time it's surrounded by cops, perhaps you should consider paying attention and leaving when the shit starts.

Police tend to push crowds away...I doubt if you head the opposite way to go home that a cop will force you back into the crowd they're trying to disperse. Makes no sense.

have you been in a riot? Or a protest? Or even a large street party with the potential to turn riot-y?

It's confusing and scary and things can turn crazy with absolutly no warning.