[BartSimpson]

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andyt, you should probably defer to the person who's actually there. Maybe, just maybe, our news sources are for shit at telling us the things only Ukrainians know right now.

[Goober911]

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/04/30 ... und-bites/
SLOVYANSK, Ukraine — When shadowy commander Igor Strelkov appeared before the cameras recently in green combat fatigues and a clipped mustache, he did more than reveal the face of the insurgency rocking eastern Ukraine. He strengthened the case that Russia is behind the turmoil.

The commander did not address Ukraine and European Union assertions that he is a Russian intelligence officer. But he told journalists that he and his men entered Ukraine from Crimea, which Russia annexed in March after an insurgency that Russian President Vladimir Putin now admits involved Russian troops. Strelkov’s assertion that many of the insurgents are not locals undermines rebel claims that the insurgency is a spontaneous uprising, rather than a coordinated operation backed by outside forces.

“The militia is of course strongly sprinkled with volunteers from other regions,” Strelkov said in a taped interview with Russian tabloid Komsomolskaya Pravda. He estimated that a third of the fighters are not Ukrainian. He backtracked Tuesday in an interview with Russian TV, claiming 90 percent of the militiamen were Ukrainian.

The EU on Tuesday included Strelkov among 15 new people targeted by sanctions. EU documents identify him as a member of the Russian military intelligence agency GRU, as do Ukrainian authorities. The commander himself was cryptic about his origins in the weekend interview.

[saturn_656]

The invasion of Eastern Ukraine has already begun.

[Goober911]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

The invasion of Eastern Ukraine has already begun.

Has been for quite some time. Putin is playing a very smart game on this.

[andyt]

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UKRAINE’S armed forces are on “full combat alert” against a possible Russian invasion, as Kiev admits it's “helpless” to prevent pro-Kremlin insurgents tightening their grip on the increasingly chaotic east of the country.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/wo ... 6901603800


So let me get this straight. The UK army is helpless against a few hundred insurgents, can't mount any sort of effective action, but do plan to fight the Russians when they invade and get slaughtered. And what exactly constitutes an invasion? The Russians are already there, and Kiev does nothing, but when Putin's tanks roll, then they'll show them a thing or two?

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Ukraine's interim president Oleksandr Turchynov told his cabinet that the nation's law enforcement bodies were “helpless” to prevent the insurgents storming official buildings in the restive east. He said the nation's armed forces have been put on “full combat alert” in the face of what he called a “real threat” of Russia starting a war against the former Soviet Republic.

If the cops are helpless, how about sending out the army to help them. How about protecting the peaceful pro-Ukraine protesters who were attacked by the insurgents when the riot police ran away?

Again, if supposedly 70% of people in eastern Ukraine are against Russia, this might be a good time to show it.

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Looks like some Ukrainians see it more the way I do than Post Factum's version.


Here's another Ukrainian:

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Valeriy Kalnysh, former editor of the Kommersant daily, wrote on Facebook: 'In a normal society when Oleksandr Turchynov admits the fact that the authorities do not control the situation in the east of the country is ground for resignation.
'And not just of him, but all the security forces. But can we afford this now? And is it the right move in the conditions of an undeclared war with Russia?'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z30PyK0cRC
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[Winnipegger]

Russia used sleeping gas on movie theater. Got the dose wrong, most died. But now would be a good time to do that to insurgants in Eastern Ukraine.

[andyt]

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Ukraine’s president laments police inaction and 'treachery' in restive east

Another day in eastern Ukraine, and another police unit trudges despondently from another official building in another city.
This time it was Luhansk, an industrial centre just 25 kilometres from the Russian border, where on Tuesday night anti-government protesters seized the headquarters of the regional administration, state prosecutor’s office and television station.
In each case, police offered no serious resistance to protesters led by gangs of masked men carrying weapons ranging from baseball bats to Kalashnikov rifles.

“Events in the east of the country have shown the inaction and helplessness – and sometimes the criminal treachery – of members of law enforcement agencies,” Ukraine’s acting president Oleksandr Turchinov said yesterday.
“It’s hard to admit, but it’s true: the overwhelming majority of security officers in the east are unable to fulfil their task of defending our citizens.”

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/eu ... -1.1779157

Guess the UK president is just another trolling chickenhawk too. He also expects his people to do something. But he must be wrong, because Post Factum has spoken, and he's there, while the president isn't.

[Goober911]

andyt andyt:

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UKRAINE’S armed forces are on “full combat alert” against a possible Russian invasion, as Kiev admits it's “helpless” to prevent pro-Kremlin insurgents tightening their grip on the increasingly chaotic east of the country.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/wo ... 6901603800


So let me get this straight. The UK army is helpless against a few hundred insurgents, can't mount any sort of effective action, but do plan to fight the Russians when they invade and get slaughtered. And what exactly constitutes an invasion? The Russians are already there, and Kiev does nothing, but when Putin's tanks roll, then they'll show them a thing or two?

$1:

Ukraine's interim president Oleksandr Turchynov told his cabinet that the nation's law enforcement bodies were “helpless” to prevent the insurgents storming official buildings in the restive east. He said the nation's armed forces have been put on “full combat alert” in the face of what he called a “real threat” of Russia starting a war against the former Soviet Republic.

If the cops are helpless, how about sending out the army to help them. How about protecting the peaceful pro-Ukraine protesters who were attacked by the insurgents when the riot police ran away?

Again, if supposedly 70% of people in eastern Ukraine are against Russia, this might be a good time to show it.

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Looks like some Ukrainians see it more the way I do than PK's version.


Here's another Ukrainian:

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Valeriy Kalnysh, former editor of the Kommersant daily, wrote on Facebook: 'In a normal society when Oleksandr Turchynov admits the fact that the authorities do not control the situation in the east of the country is ground for resignation.
'And not just of him, but all the security forces. But can we afford this now? And is it the right move in the conditions of an undeclared war with Russia?'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z30PyK0cRC
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

Are you really not understanding what is going on at many different levels.

[andyt]

Explain it to me. What I read on thread is that it's impossible to act, yet it seems even the pres himself expects forces to act. Doing nothing will just give at least Eastern Ukraine to the Russians. Taking on the insurgents may not prevent that, but it might, and at least you can say you tried.

[subway13]

[Goober911]

andyt andyt:

Explain it to me. What I read on thread is that it's impossible to act, yet it seems even the pres himself expects forces to act. Doing nothing will just give at least Eastern Ukraine to the Russians. Taking on the insurgents may not prevent that, but it might, and at least you can say you tried.

It is impossible to use Military force. Easy to figure out why.

Hint, NATO would blow Russia's military to shit if they went face to face.
Can you tell me why they do not go head to head?

[Winnipegger]

Goober911 Goober911:

Can you tell me why they do not go head to head?

[andyt]

Goober911 Goober911:

andyt andyt:

Explain it to me. What I read on thread is that it's impossible to act, yet it seems even the pres himself expects forces to act. Doing nothing will just give at least Eastern Ukraine to the Russians. Taking on the insurgents may not prevent that, but it might, and at least you can say you tried.

It is impossible to use Military force. Easy to figure out why.

Hint, NATO would blow Russia's military to shit if they went face to face.
Can you tell me why they do not go head to head?

You really insist on misreading the question, along with everybody else. It's not about going head to head with Russia, it's about dealing with a few hundred insurgents. The president of Ukraine expects this to happen, so i'm not alone in questioning wtf is going on here. Maybe there's just a lot more sympathy pro-Russia than we are led to believe.

[saturn_656]

If NATO and Russia met in Ukraine and Russia got schooled they may be tempted to resort to tactical use of nukes to burn us out. Which would force us tuck our tails and withdraw or engage in total war with Russia.

[andyt]

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Earlier on Tuesday, the acting president said in a televised address that the situation in the east of the country “demonstrated inaction, helplessness and sometimes treason” and pledged to sack many officers in eastern regions of Ukraine.

http://rt.com/news/155856-ukraine-alert-president-army/

See what I'm saying?