[BartSimpson]

desertdude desertdude:

US, you can't be Israels rehab sponsor as well as its drug dealer.

http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/ythuz ... d-of-peace

That's an Obama problem, not a US problem.

[N_Fiddledog]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Delwin Delwin:

Yeah the soldier who invaded the other country while killing hundreds of innocents got executed, pass me a tissue please.

And don't mind me if I don't give a hairy rat's ass about your beloved Hamas terrorists and the people who put them into power.

Neither does he really. If these guys really care about casualties where's their chest pounding over what's happening in Syria and Irag, or for that matter the current mass genocidal persecution of Christians throughout the Moslem world. The numbers there massively massively deluge what's happening in Gaza. As far as number or horror of atrocities go Gaza is a bit player.

[BartSimpson]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Delwin Delwin:

Yeah the soldier who invaded the other country while killing hundreds of innocents got executed, pass me a tissue please.

And don't mind me if I don't give a hairy rat's ass about your beloved Hamas terrorists and the people who put them into power.

Neither does he really. If these guys really care about casualties where's their chest pounding over what's happening in Syria and Irag, or for that matter the current mass genocidal persecution of Christians throughout the Moslem world. The numbers there massively massively deluge what's happening in Gaza. As far as number or horror of atrocities go Gaza is a bit player.

Don't count them out. If those clowns had a nuke they'd use it on Tel Aviv or Haifa. Worst case scenario I really could see these jerks dressing up a nuke with cobalt jackets and then detonating it in Gaza with the intent that the fallout would poison Israel.

They'd murder all two million of their own people if they knew doing so would kill Jews.

[N_Fiddledog]

Apparently some foreigners are upset with us Canadians because Canadian MPs went on a fact finding mission to Israel. Actually I only know of one, but we seem to be asked to care, so because us Canadians are always considerate and polite no matter who we're talking to here's one of the actual MPs discussing the Canadian MP fact finding mission in a video interview with Sun.

http://vladtepesblog.com/2014/08/01/can ... to-israel/

[desertdude]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

desertdude desertdude:

US, you can't be Israels rehab sponsor as well as its drug dealer.

http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/ythuz ... d-of-peace

That's an Obama problem, not a US problem.

I thought Obama was the most anti Israel president ever, being a secret muzlim n all. Y'all need to make up yourz mindz

[Goober911]

N_Fiddledog & Bart

Did the Israelis drop the ball about not knowing about the tunnels?
Did the present Israeli govt try to make a peace deal with the PLO during the last US sponsored negotiations?

[N_Fiddledog]

IDF to complete destruction of Hamas tunnels by Sunday; Troops begin withdrawal

$1:

The IDF has destroyed Hamas's flagship terrorism project; its network of cross-border tunnels that snuck under the border into Israel. The military also began to pull its forces out of the Gaza Strip on Saturday evening.

Hamas has spent five years preparing this strategic threat; the IDF wrecked 31 tunnels in two weeks. By Sunday, all of the tunnels the IDF knew about, or discovered during the offensive, will be destroyed. A few tunnels that Israel doesn't know about may remain intact.

[snip]

In the big majority of cases where the IDF clashed with Hamas, the battle ended with the terrorists being killed, wounded, or with their surrender.

[snip]

Meanwhile, Hamas's stockpile of medium-range rockets, of the kind it uses to target greater Tel Aviv, is becoming depleted. As a result, Hamas has lowered the number of of medium-range rockets it fires, to pace itself for a drawn-out conflict. On the weekend, Hamas has focused on firing on short-range rockets attacks on the south.

The IDF is in the process of reorganizing its ground forces. It is preparing for further instructions from the security cabinet. Ground forces remain active in three areas across Gaza, as the last of the tunnels are destroyed. The remainder of the ground units have taken up positions in staging areas, and some will remain in Gaza, to protect Israeli villages from attempts by Hamas to exploit gaps in the border fence to stage further attacks.

[snip]

Israel is continuing to search for a tunnel alert system, and has researched every known technology designed to deal with this threat.

According to the defense establishment, none have so far been found to be effective or operational. None would allow security chiefs to sleep soundly and expect to know, in real time, when Hamas's diggers begin tunnelling towards Israel again.

http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protecti ... ect-369809

[N_Fiddledog]

Goober911 Goober911:

N_Fiddledog & Bart

Did the Israelis drop the ball about not knowing about the tunnels?
Did the present Israeli govt try to make a peace deal with the PLO during the last US sponsored negotiations?

I can try to answer the one about the tunnels. Bart or Commander Kai seem to more up on the history of the negotiations.

There's conflicting info on how much Israel knew, knows, or can know in the future about tunnels and tunneling.

You'll notice in the last paragraphs of the article above they are not optimistic on their ability to detect future tunneling as it occurs.

I saw another one yesterday though, that claimed there was an expert who said he could detect tunneling using a mixture of technologies. I've heard other claims there was technology available, but Israel did not heed warnings it was receiving. Best guess is Hamas has been tunneling into Israel using money and supplies that were earmarked for Gazans, and doing it over at least two years.

There were claims the IDF was getting warnings tunneling was occurring, but did not know the extent of it, or the nature of the danger until Hamas forced the ground attack and they grabbed some prisoners to interrogate. I imagine you heard there was a planned massacre for the upcoming Jewish holiday of Rosh Hashanah. It would have been thousands of Jews that could have died instead if the tunnels had not been discovered.

[BRAH]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Delwin Delwin:

Yeah the soldier who invaded the other country while killing hundreds of innocents got executed, pass me a tissue please.

And don't mind me if I don't give a hairy rat's ass about your beloved Hamas terrorists and the people who put them into power.

Neither does he really. If these guys really care about casualties where's their chest pounding over what's happening in Syria and Irag, or for that matter the current mass genocidal persecution of Christians throughout the Moslem world. The numbers there massively massively deluge what's happening in Gaza. As far as number or horror of atrocities go Gaza is a bit player.

No shit, over 100,000 Syrians have been massacred and not one peep from them because they can't blame Israel, this is their hypocrisy.

Goober911 Goober911:

N_Fiddledog & Bart

Did the Israelis drop the ball about not knowing about the tunnels?
Did the present Israeli govt try to make a peace deal with the PLO during the last US sponsored negotiations?

Israel donated over 800,000 tons of concrete to the Palestinians for construction of schools etc and we know what Hamas did with it don't we?

[N_Fiddledog]

BRAH BRAH:

No shit hey, over 100,000 Syrians have been massacred and not one peep from them because they can't blame Israel, this is their hypocrisy.

True, but the Assyrians in Australia had a little protest against the attempted genocide of Syrian Christians today. So go Assyrians, anyway.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/n ... 7e00ffa692

[Goober911]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Goober911 Goober911:

N_Fiddledog & Bart

Did the Israelis drop the ball about not knowing about the tunnels?
Did the present Israeli govt try to make a peace deal with the PLO during the last US sponsored negotiations?

I can try to answer the one about the tunnels. Bart or Commander Kai seem to more up on the history of the negotiations.

There's conflicting info on how much Israel knew, knows, or can know in the future about tunnels and tunneling.

You'll notice in the last paragraphs of the article above they are not optimistic on their ability to detect future tunneling as it occurs.

I saw another one yesterday though, that claimed there was an expert who said he could detect tunneling using a mixture of technologies. I've heard other claims there was technology available, but Israel did not heed warnings it was receiving. Best guess is Hamas has been tunneling into Israel using money and supplies that were earmarked for Gazans, and doing it over at least two years.

There were claims the IDF was getting warnings tunneling was occurring, but did not know the extent of it, or the nature of the danger until Hamas forced the ground attack and they grabbed some prisoners to interrogate. I imagine you heard there was a planned massacre for the upcoming Jewish holiday of Rosh Hashanah. It would have been thousands of Jews that could have died instead if the tunnels had not been discovered.

Hamas kidnapped an Israeli soldier in 06 using a tunnel.
As to the tunnels, millions was spent on tech. The Govt knew and was warned of the threat since 06

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
Gilad Shalit (About this sound גלעד שליט (help·info), born 28 August 1986) is an Israeli sports columnist and a former MIA soldier of the Israel Defense Forces (IDF). On 25 June 2006, Shalit was captured by Hamas militants in a cross-border raid via underground tunnels near the Israeli border.[1][2] Hamas held him captive for over five years, until his release on 18 October 2011 as part of a prisoner exchange deal.

[Goober911]

Tunnels
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/a ... e-gaza-war

Former senior military figures acknowledged that Israeli authorities had known about the tunnels for some time. "We need to be honest with ourselves – yes, the intelligence was there, but I would say the strategic awareness of how big the problem is, and how deep it is, I'm not sure that was really widespread in both the political and high military level," said Major-General Israel Ziv, former head of the IDF's Gaza division, now retired.

Brigadier-General Shimon Daniel, head of the IDF's combat engineering corps from 2003 until 2007 and now a reservist, said: "We knew there was a strategic threat, but we couldn't deal with it. We took the risk [that there would be no major penetration of Israel] and we waited. This is a huge problem, it is not an easy thing to deal with.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/worl ... /13421873/

[Goober911]

commanderkai commanderkai:

Delwin Delwin:

Side B: Give us our land and stop the blockade on our port.

Oh, and out of curiosity, what land does Israel need to give to Hamas, and why the fuck should Israel not continue a blockade of sea lanes to a group that has never once stopped their desire to kill as many fucking Israels as possible?

Also, you know, it's not just Israel continuing a blockade here. There is this country called "Egypt", been around for a while, who also likes to keep their borders closed to Hamas. I wonder why.

What is your opinion on the expansion and annexation by Israel for settlements and expansion of Jerusalem?

[N_Fiddledog]

Yes Goober, of course the IDF was aware of the existence of some tunnels. Everybody was. Programs like 60 minutes would do specials on them.

What was not known was extent or the full nature of danger. Which is what I told you.

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

There were claims the IDF was getting warnings tunneling was occurring, but did not know the extent of it, or the nature of the danger until Hamas forced the ground attack and they grabbed some prisoners to interrogate.

and your link confirmed.

$1:

The extent and sophistication of the underground network has taken Israel's political and military leadership by surprise.

So if you knew I'm not sure why you were asking me.

[Goober911]

Just asking as all I heard was the threat of the tunnels. Yes they were, but no surprise.
Israel dropped the ball big time.