[Newsbot]

Title: With the two-state solution a distant dream, Palestinians ask if it's time to push for a one-state solution
Category: World
Posted By: N_Fiddledog
Date: 2016-12-30 00:29:45

[martin14]

There must be some real high quality dope running around the LA Times.

Thanks for the laughs.

[BartSimpson]

Sure. Let Israel annex the other territories and then expel anyone who ever waged war against Israel, supported anyone who ever waged war against Israel, or is related to anyone who ever waged war against Israel.

[BRAH]

Palestinians need to stop acting like Obama and stop working against Israel instead working with them.

[BeaverFever]

Israel has never really been interested in a 2-state solution or a bi-national state. They have only ever been interested in a single Jewish state, the only leader to seriously consider otherwise was Rabin, who was assassinated by a right wing ultranationalist.

[Thanos]

I doubt that Obama and Kerry are unaware the two-state idea is essentially dead, and was probably a red herring all these years anyway that got trotted out to give the media something to chew on. Given the US kept shipping arms to Israel it's arguable the Obama admin even cared about the idea any more than any other POTUS ever has. The reality is and always will be who has the strongest boots on the ground. Israel has full-spectrum dominance that is basically unchallenged. As long as this situation exists there will be no separate Palestinian state. The UN vote was merely about shoving Netanyahu's smug ignorant face into some dog poo in public for being such a feckless ally and for interfering so blatantly in the favor of the GOP in American domestic politics. He's a turd and a backstabber and this is how Obama chose to punish him. So be it. The settlements aren't stopping, the weapons and money will keep flowing to Israel, and the only real injury has been to Netanyahu's ego and image, so screw him. This embarrassment is the least of what he deserved for the way he acted over the last few years.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Israel has never really been interested in a 2-state solution or a bi-national state. They have only ever been interested in a single Jewish state, the only leader to seriously consider otherwise was Rabin, who was assassinated by a right wing ultranationalist.

And Palestine has? IN a UNSCOP report from 1946-47, the Arab states AND Palestine declared a war of extermination against Israel. NONE of them wanted a two state solution, they wanted Israel to fuck off and die. For 70 years the Palestinian leadership has done everything it could to undermine the peace process.

But let's look at the expansion of Israeli settlements in some context. Over the years Israel has taken land from Jordan, Egypt, and Syria. In time they ceded those lands back to them when they stopped fucking with Israel. With Palestine though, there's none of that. When Israel cleared out of Gaza, the Palestinians were launching rocket attacks from that area within hours of the Israeli pull-out. They've done similar shit in other areas as well.
The main purpose of the settlements is to push the Palestinians out of rocket range of cities like Tel Aviv and Hebron.
Every olive branch that Israel has offered Palestine, the Palestinian leadership has stomped and spit on it. It shouldn't come as much of a surprise to anyone that Israel is finally starting to say, "Fuck it."

[ShepherdsDog]

What's really telling is that a majority of Israeli Arab citizens would remain Israeli and forgo Palestinian citizenship if offered a choice in a two state scenario.

What I find almost humorous is the hypocrisy of Palestinian Christians, who whine about how persecuted they are by their Muslim neighbours. They then claim that they have to stand in solidarity with them in the face of Israeli expansion. FFS, it's the IDF protecting them from being completely wiped out in the West Bank by the Jihadis.

[BeaverFever]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

And Palestine has? IN a UNSCOP report from 1946-47, the Arab states AND Palestine declared a war of extermination against Israel. NONE of them wanted a two state solution, they wanted Israel to fuck off and die.

I'm not condoning any violence it but let's not forget the wave of violence that the zionists were waging against Palestinians and Brits including bombings and assassinations. It was fully mutual. And might I remind you that Jewish immigration had caused a spike in the Jewish population but it was still only 20%. Look at the shit fit Americans have over Mexican immigrants, imagine if the Mexican immigrants were bombing hotels and murdering people to re-establish a Mexican state in the American southwest.

$1:

70 years the Palestinian leadership has done everything it could to undermine the peace process.

Bullshit. what peace process? The only time there's been any effort peace process is when violence happens. Otherwise Israel just ignores the situation. Israel already controls all the land, any peace process necessarily results in them giving up something so they're content to fo nothing.

$1:

But let's look at the expansion of Israeli settlements in some context. Over the years Israel has taken land from Jordan, Egypt, and Syria. In time they ceded those lands back to them when they stopped fucking with Israel.

. Because that's international law. You cannot militarily conquer or annex territory of another country. Also, it has not given back Golan Heights to Syria.

$1:

The main purpose of the settlements is to push the Palestinians out of rocket range of cities like Tel Aviv and Hebron.

$1:

. Do you know what the fuck you're talking about? The settlements aren't military outposts they're civilian communities:women, children, schools and swimming pools. They're not there's to "push back rocket attacks". And rockets are relatively new im the conflict, settlements have been there since the beginning.

$1:

Every olive branch that Israel has offered Palestine, the Palestinian leadership has stomped and spit on it. It shouldn't come as much of a surprise to anyone that Israel is finally starting to say, "Fuck it."

. Empty rhetoric. What olive branch?