[Newsbot]

Title: What makes sports fans riot?
Category: Sports
Posted By: DerbyX
Date: 2011-06-16 23:23:02

[Neil Korchinski]

I'm an Oilers fan, so I'm used to feeling hopeless!

[PostFactum]

When people watch play of their favourite team, they receive a lot of emotions. In particular people receive positive emotions when they put someone down, so sport is civilized way to do it. Our life is so dynamic, that for younger people is not enough emotions during play. After a game they need more and always choose one of two plans:
1) Plan A: our team lost, let the revenge come.
2) Plan B: our team won, "Hey, guys, look, losers are comming, let's broke their faces"
This aggression very often is directed on property. In some cases, young people who are not fans and don't care about this kind of sport take part in riots. The criminal way of thinkig that works here was discovered by one American scientist many years ago, it's called "dispersed responsibility". The main idea of it is: person is making crime in group, without thinking about personal crime responsibility, only about group. For example 1 raped woman, it's only his phychology fault. If 4 did it, They think, hey we were four, the group was doing this, "not me personal". Usually, group crimes are one of the most cruel because of this psychology feature.

[BartSimpson]

Rioters like to riot and, IMHO, the synchronicity of riots with sports events does not mean that sports events or sports fans have any causal link to rioting.

The rioters just want an excuse.

[Thanos]

The short answer, and the most accurate one, is that they're just bad people. They're selfish, they were raised wrong by shitty parents, and they have zero respect in them for anyone or anything else at all. Fuck them all, not a single one of them is worth a second of useless psychoanalysis.

[Brenda]

$1:

they were raised wrong by shitty parents

Funny. How come that a lot of families do great, and have 1 rotten apple who riots? Because they were all raised wrong by the same shitty parents? So the parents of "bad people" are by default shitty?

Adults make their own decisions. Don't blame the parents for their actions. You wouldn't allow them to use it as an excuse either.
"I *insert crime here* because my parents raised me wrong" wouldn't cut it for you, would it.

[DrCaleb]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Rioters like to riot and, IMHO, the synchronicity of riots with sports events does not mean that sports events or sports fans have any causal link to rioting.

The rioters just want an excuse.

I recall the Canada Day riots we had about 10 years ago in Edmonton. It was unlike anything I've experienced.

It was a beautiful day, everyone was in a fantastic mood. Everyone was enjoying being Canadian and celebrating the fact. After the fireworks when many thousands of people were walking through the downtown streets to return to their cars and homes you could feel something. Something different, like euphoria, but in a bad way. It felt like things were great, but something bad was going to happen. I just can't explain it properly, it's something you have to experience.

It was the next morning when we heard that the partiers got out of hand, and there were some fires and some fights and some window smashing. I don't think they wanted an excuse, I just think it was something that resulted from that feeling. They didn't know what to do with those feelings. I know I didn't understand them. If i had been drinking I might have acted out of character too.

[ppats1]

Thanos Thanos:

The short answer, and the most accurate one, is that they're just bad people. They're selfish, they were raised wrong by shitty parents, and they have zero respect in them for anyone or anything else at all. Fuck them all, not a single one of them is worth a second of useless psychoanalysis.

I totally agree, yeah I may be of an older generation, but I was raised to be respectful of those around me and other people's space and property. I can see absolutely no circumstance, drunk or not where I would participate in the BS that took place in Van. I've raised my kids the same way. It just wouldn't happen.

[Brenda]

ppats1 ppats1:

Thanos Thanos:

The short answer, and the most accurate one, is that they're just bad people. They're selfish, they were raised wrong by shitty parents, and they have zero respect in them for anyone or anything else at all. Fuck them all, not a single one of them is worth a second of useless psychoanalysis.

I totally agree, yeah I may be of an older generation, but I was raised to be respectful of those around me and other people's space and property. I can see absolutely no circumstance, drunk or not where I would participate in the BS that took place in Van. I've raised my kids the same way. It just wouldn't happen.

Bullshit. You obviously lucked out with your kids.

[BartSimpson]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

I recall the Canada Day riots we had about 10 years ago in Edmonton. It was unlike anything I've experienced.

It was a beautiful day, everyone was in a fantastic mood. Everyone was enjoying being Canadian and celebrating the fact. After the fireworks when many thousands of people were walking through the downtown streets to return to their cars and homes you could feel something. Something different, like euphoria, but in a bad way. It felt like things were great, but something bad was going to happen. I just can't explain it properly, it's something you have to experience.

It was the next morning when we heard that the partiers got out of hand, and there were some fires and some fights and some window smashing. I don't think they wanted an excuse, I just think it was something that resulted from that feeling. They didn't know what to do with those feelings. I know I didn't understand them. If i had been drinking I might have acted out of character too.

Not saying that this necessarily applies to Canada...

Repressed societies that allow no outlet for people to express certain behaviors can see crowds attain a kind of critical mass where the collective mind of the mob takes charge.

Sometimes this kind of thing is positive, like we saw in Eastern Europe 20 years ago when it seemed that everyone in Eastern Europe all at once just said, "F*ck Communism and Socialism, we're just not doing it anymore!"

Romania was the best example of this where Ceaucescu had organized a rally to propagandize support for his regime and 'something' spread in the crowd and what had been a crowd of loyal Communists suddenly turned into a mob that wanted to kill the dictator.

In some regards we're seeing some of this kind of thing in these riots, be they in the US, Canada, or Europe.

Our feminized societies have made actual men pariahs simply for being men and then the feminized schools have acted against masculinity in a myriad of ways. Dodgeball is banned because it's 'unfair'. Team sports are eschewed because someone always loses and losing is bad for self-esteem. Boys can't even play at 'cops and robbers' on a playground because even an imaginary gun is offensive to the eunuchs who run the schools anymore.

Now add to this another layer of issue and we've also got a culture where no one is supposed to be 'judgmental' and where the concept of 'right and wrong' is not an absolute.

So you've got kids who get out of the feminized schools and discover that they like being (shockingly, this may be news to some) men and they savor the testosterone charged environment of competitive sports not just for the thrill, but for the fact that such an expression of manhood has been forbidden to them by society.

And then these kids have no sense of right and wrong which might serve to contain their excesses and so what you end up with are runaway thugs.

Saturn's poster with the comment that if he'd been disciplined as a child he wouldn't need to be disciplined now pretty much sums it up.



I'll only add that suppressing manhood and manliness in society is also a recipe for disaster.

[Benn]

Running out of beer at the beer gardens

[ppats1]

Brenda Brenda:

ppats1 ppats1:

Thanos Thanos:

The short answer, and the most accurate one, is that they're just bad people. They're selfish, they were raised wrong by shitty parents, and they have zero respect in them for anyone or anything else at all. Fuck them all, not a single one of them is worth a second of useless psychoanalysis.

I totally agree, yeah I may be of an older generation, but I was raised to be respectful of those around me and other people's space and property. I can see absolutely no circumstance, drunk or not where I would participate in the BS that took place in Van. I've raised my kids the same way. It just wouldn't happen.

Bullshit. You obviously lucked out with your kids.

How is that bullshit? Really, Brenda, there ARE still people out there that actually participate in their kid's lives and take a second or two to talk to them. I'm a single dad raising two girls, one a teen, it ain't been all roses I can assure you but, I've raised them the way I was. No luck involved, just work.

[ppats1]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

I recall the Canada Day riots we had about 10 years ago in Edmonton. It was unlike anything I've experienced.

It was a beautiful day, everyone was in a fantastic mood. Everyone was enjoying being Canadian and celebrating the fact. After the fireworks when many thousands of people were walking through the downtown streets to return to their cars and homes you could feel something. Something different, like euphoria, but in a bad way. It felt like things were great, but something bad was going to happen. I just can't explain it properly, it's something you have to experience.

It was the next morning when we heard that the partiers got out of hand, and there were some fires and some fights and some window smashing. I don't think they wanted an excuse, I just think it was something that resulted from that feeling. They didn't know what to do with those feelings. I know I didn't understand them. If i had been drinking I might have acted out of character too.

Not saying that this necessarily applies to Canada...

Repressed societies that allow no outlet for people to express certain behaviors can see crowds attain a kind of critical mass where the collective mind of the mob takes charge.

Sometimes this kind of thing is positive, like we saw in Eastern Europe 20 years ago when it seemed that everyone in Eastern Europe all at once just said, "F*ck Communism and Socialism, we're just not doing it anymore!"

Romania was the best example of this where Ceaucescu had organized a rally to propagandize support for his regime and 'something' spread in the crowd and what had been a crowd of loyal Communists suddenly turned into a mob that wanted to kill the dictator.

In some regards we're seeing some of this kind of thing in these riots, be they in the US, Canada, or Europe.

Our feminized societies have made actual men pariahs simply for being men and then the feminized schools have acted against masculinity in a myriad of ways. Dodgeball is banned because it's 'unfair'. Team sports are eschewed because someone always loses and losing is bad for self-esteem. Boys can't even play at 'cops and robbers' on a playground because even an imaginary gun is offensive to the eunuchs who run the schools anymore.

Now add to this another layer of issue and we've also got a culture where no one is supposed to be 'judgmental' and where the concept of 'right and wrong' is not an absolute.

So you've got kids who get out of the feminized schools and discover that they like being (shockingly, this may be news to some) men and they savor the testosterone charged environment of competitive sports not just for the thrill, but for the fact that such an expression of manhood has been forbidden to them by society.

And then these kids have no sense of right and wrong which might serve to contain their excesses and so what you end up with are runaway thugs.

Saturn's poster with the comment that if he'd been disciplined as a child he wouldn't need to be disciplined now pretty much sums it up.



I'll only add that suppressing manhood and manliness in society is also a recipe for disaster.

Sums it up for me Bart. Politically incorrect these days as you're thoughts may be, I agree wholeheartedly. I just don't have an answer as to how to reverse the trend these days, but it can start in the home....

[DanSC]

Here's one problem



The number of women who would be turned on by riots is statistically irrelevant, but if even one is, drunk bros will burn and loot.

[Brenda]

ppats1 ppats1:

Brenda Brenda:

ppats1 ppats1:

I totally agree, yeah I may be of an older generation, but I was raised to be respectful of those around me and other people's space and property. I can see absolutely no circumstance, drunk or not where I would participate in the BS that took place in Van. I've raised my kids the same way. It just wouldn't happen.

Bullshit. You obviously lucked out with your kids.

How is that bullshit? Really, Brenda, there ARE still people out there that actually participate in their kid's lives and take a second or two to talk to them. I'm a single dad raising two girls, one a teen, it ain't been all roses I can assure you but, I've raised them the way I was. No luck involved, just work.

Oh believe me, I am one of them. But since my children are still teens, and yours are too, you cannot say what they will turn out to be.
There are plenty of families who did the same you and I do. But that doesn't mean that all the parents of the people in jail are shitty parents. It also doesn't mean that their/our kids will not do stupid things.
I am SURE a lot of the parents of people in jail have more kids who turned out just fine.