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Title: West Midlands Police report reveals 75 per cent of known on-street child sex groomers are Asian
Category: Religion
Posted By: N_Fiddledog
Date: 2014-10-19 13:07:57

[andyt]

Here wo go again. On street child sex groomers in West midlands.

The West Midlands is a metropolitan county in western central England with a 2013 estimated population of 2,783,475, while the population of Britain is 73 million, so this stat applies to less than 4 percent of Britain's population. On street - most internet lurers are white men. Sex groomers: The Brits seem to distinguish between sex grooming gangs and individual pimps who pimp out underage girls.

So, this represents a small percentage of the overall picture of children being lured or forced into sex in England. But OMG, because this small percentage is Asian, lets wring our panties into sheepshanks. Let's not look at the overall picture of children being involved in sex with adults, however that happens, lets just focus on one small aspect, and if we could just keep out those dirty Muslims, Britain would be pure again.

That the police and responsible agencies didn't act because of biases against vulnerable children and fears of being called racist is reprehensible. so is making this all about Muslims. Where are the statistics and stories about the overall picture of children being involved in sex with adults? Nowhere to be found.


Here's what's happening in Canada:

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The commercial sexual exploitation of children is an extensive problem in BC and Canada, where 10% to 12% of individuals involved in prostitution are younger than 18 years of age. Commercial sexual exploitation includes prostitution, child pornography, trafficking for sexual purposes, child sex tourism, and early marriage. Children at risk include those whose families suffer from mental illness, domestic violence, drug and alcohol abuse, or sexual, emotional, and physical abuse. Aboriginal children are disproportionately represented in the sex trade. Recruitment into the sex trade is gradual and well organized, playing on children’s insecurities or weaknesses. Prevention strategies include educating children, families, teachers, and health care providers about sexual exploitation, as well as early warning signs that a child is being lured into the sex trade.

Recruitment into the sex trade is well organized. Common pick-up places are food fairs in malls, fast-food restaurants, bus stops, train stations, community recreational centres, youth containment centres, youth shelters, youth detox centres, schools, and group homes. A typical recruitment scenario involves an older girl befriending a younger girl in school. Unpopular girls with low self-esteem are usually targeted. The older girl seduces the younger with friendship, gifts, clothes, and compliments. The targeted child is then introduced to a pimp, who continues the seduction. Through parties and offers of “free” cigarettes, drugs, and alcohol, he usually gets her hooked on drugs. In the beginning, she feels connected and important, excited by and attracted to a lifestyle of easy money and unlimited supplies of nicotine, drugs, and alcohol. She feels a sense of belonging within the street culture.

The child is then asked to “help,” perhaps by being a “spotter”—keeping track of the licence plate numbers of the johns or counting the tricks other girls are turning. Once the child is truly hooked, she will be asked to repay the monies invested in her recruitment by selling herself for sex.[3]

Later, as children get trapped in their addictions and become dependent on their drug suppliers (usually their pimps), they live from day to day in constant fear of violence. To bury the pain inherent in their lives, they can sink into a living hell. In a study of 60 sex trade workers in Vancouver’s Downtown Eastside, 75% had experienced violence in the preceding 6 months.[3,7]

Doubt we have the "Asian" population to be the main player in all this.

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“The Russian mafia runs girls, the Hells Angels runs girls. There's a lot of Asian human trafficking going on, locally and from abroad. It's everywhere now.”

Asian in this case being the Canadian meaning, ie Chinese, vs South Asian as is he usage here.

[andyt]

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So what can we know about these victims and predators? Wendy Shepherd, child sexual exploitation project manager with Barnardo's in the north of England, says that most abusers are white and most child sex exploitation happens in the home. White males who are predators on the street tend to work alone, though they also prey in internet grooming rings, she says.

"When I started this work 12 years ago," she says, "the problem was mainly young people being put on the street by their older 'boyfriends'. An older man is anyone [who is at least] five years older than the girl. All ethnicities and professions were involved. Today it's much more hidden, with young girls being groomed at takeaways, in parks, shopping malls or bus stations.

"There has been a shift from the men selling children in ones or twos to something that is much more organised in groups and networks. The networks of men come from different backgrounds: in the North and Midlands many have been British Asians; in Devon it was white men; in Bath and Bristol, Afro-Caribbeans; in London, all ethnic mixes, whites, Iraqis, Kurds, Afghans, Somalis.

"The danger with saying that the problem is with one ethnicity is that then people will only be on the lookout for that group – and will risk missing other threats." The gifts given to girls in grooming are breathtakingly trivial. Often the presents involved are nothing more than a bag of chips, a cigarette or two, or a few illicit swigs of vodka. "Gifts such as mobile telephones are far less common," say Ella Cockbain and Helen Brayley. Attention, affection and excitement are often enough.

And for all the talk about "gangs" of offenders, the two researchers from UCL's Jill Dando Institute of Security and Crime Science say a lot of grooming has little to do with organised crime. "The offenders abused their victims casually, almost as a hobby-type behaviour," they say. "While some cases have involved the commercial exploitation of victims this is not the norm. When victims have been sold for sex this has typically been at prices below the market rate."

The big problem that the police have in prosecuting over these offences is that many of the abused girls do not see themselves as victims. When questioned by the police they continue to describe their abusers as their "boyfriends". In the case that ended at Liverpool Crown Court on Tuesday, one of the teenage girls, who was made pregnant by her abuser, had said earlier, under cross-examination, that she was still in love with him.

What cannot be denied in all this is that – whether the percentages are disproportionate or not – significant numbers of British Pakistani men are involved in such abuse. The Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre report hinted at that when it said that many offender groups "were related to each other in some way, either as friends, family members or work colleagues" – noting that "where offenders worked together, the place of work was either a takeaway restaurant or a taxi firm".

This is not to buy into the British National Party's "Our Children are Not Halal Meat" anti-Muslim agenda. The BNP refers to this type of offending as "Muslim paedophilia", but, as Ella Cockbain and Helen Brayley point out: "This is misguided for two reasons. First, it is not paedophilia since the victims are not pre-pubescent.

"There is also no indication that the offenders are exclusively or preferentially sexually attracted to minors. Secondly, religion seems to be a red herring here, in that many offenders seem to be Muslim only in a nominal sense. Prior to arrest many drank alcohol, took drugs, did not have beards, and all engaged in extramarital sex with underage girls. Hardly the hallmarks of a strict Muslim."

The evidence that the Jill Dando Institute of Security and Crime Science has gathered suggests that victims are targeted not because they are white but rather in a haphazard opportunistic manner – with the perpetrators cruising the streets for whatever girls they happen to see hanging about there. Convenience and accessibility, rather than race, appear to be the primary drivers. The men go for the easiest targets.

"Indeed, though most of the victims are white British," the researchers say, "the proportion of black and minority ethnicity victims was actually higher than what might be expected, given the local demographics." Martin Narey agrees. "I have never subscribed to the view that these men have some sort of moral code and would not abuse Asian girls," he says. "They'd abuse any child over whom they could exert power. The reality, however, is that the girls who make themselves vulnerable on our cities, particularly at night, are generally white. Asian girls, more strictly parented, are at home."

Even so, it is clear that some Asian men do target underage schoolgirls and attempt to groom them for sex. The exact proportion may be unclear because the statistics on these crimes are so incomplete and inconsistent. But there is a serious problem within parts of the British Pakistani community.

What is to be done about that? Wendy Shepherd, Barnardo's on-street grooming expert is clear. "As with any community where child sexual exploitation is occurring," she says, "you need to engage the community and its leaders to combat the problem".

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/cr ... 29068.html

Just part of what i think is a very fair minded article. And as it says, you just focus on street grooming gangs, and you miss the bigger picture. Makes for great headlines and stoking anti-Muslim hatred tho.

[Xort]

So what your saying is that the tiny portion of Muslims in the UK that are 75% of recruiters for child prostitution and rape, are not a problem because of something in Canada?

Well I guess diversity is working, making those young people stronger by giving them exposure to other cultures.

[andyt]

What I'm saying is either you're totally ignorant of statistics, or you just want to get your hate on, because your first sentence is pure bullshit. But that's exactly the kind of response that Fiddle Dog and his group (whoever they are) is hoping for.

[martin14]

Xort Xort:

So what your saying is that the tiny portion of Muslims in the UK that are 75% of recruiters for child prostitution and rape, are not a problem because of something in Canada?

Well I guess diversity is working, making those young people stronger by giving them exposure to other cultures.

It's the difference between 2% and 8%.

Andy must have converted to Islam or something, but he is the epitomy of how this has become
a problem in the UK.

Be so desperate to deflect, use anything to deflect, we absolutely cannot talk
about these things in their own context.
It is always the white man's fault.

It's the kind of attitude that the Police and Children's Services used for years
to cover up all these dirty secrets, and thankfully these things are finally
coming into the light.

Who knows, maybe the Brits still have some balls to do something about it.

We'll see.

[Xort]

I like how because we don't yet have proof that Asians are a problem everywhere, Asians being a problem in one location doesn't matter... somehow.

[andyt]

I like how Asians being responsible for one specific aspect of child sexual exploitation in one small area of Britain gets generalized to then being responsible for 75% of all child sexual exploitation in all of Britain.

Actually you have proof that it's not Asians that are a problem everywhere, you just need to read the quote I provided to see that proof. In various regions it's different groups, in London itself, (much greater population than all of West Midlands) is seems to be a mix of everybody. But I guess white men are luring our children into sexual exploitation just isn't a big deal. It only is when they are brown Muslims.

[N_Fiddledog]

I'm not sure I understand what Andy is arguing with himself about. This is what the article said...

"A bombshell police report has revealed 75 per cent of known on-street child sex groomers in the West Midlands are Asian – with 82 per cent of victims, aged 14 to 16, being white."

Do you not listen, Andy? Did you not hear when people were telling you more of these cases and reports on the Muslim gang grooming of children for sex phenomena, such as we saw in Rotherham, Oxford, Telford, Rochdale and Derby were coming out soon.

Why are you feigning shock and outrage as they begin to trickle out then? You do know there's more coming, don't you?

So what are you going to do? You can live back in 2012 with that clip you're so proud of, or you can join the rest of us in 2014, and judge the news by its current revelations.

[N_Fiddledog]

Cases will be popping up in Manchester soon.

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Greater Manchester police (GMP), the third largest force in England and Wales, has been accused by serving and former detectives of attempting to cover up failings to tackle gangs of Asian men who were abusing young girls, according to an ITV News investigation...

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A statement from the police force said: “Considerable resources are now invested in a number of ongoing investigations and we have already made clear that further arrests will be made.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014 ... buse-gangs

[Batsy2]

andyt andyt:

Here wo go again. On street child sex groomers in West midlands.

The West Midlands is a metropolitan county in western central England with a 2013 estimated population of 2,783,475, while the population of Britain is 73 million, so this stat applies to less than 4 percent of Britain's population. Doubt we have the "Asian" population to be the main player in all this.

You have to remember that 87.1% of the British population is white. It's only that reason why the majority of sex abusers in Britain are white. It's not because whites are more prone to sexually abusing girls. It's just that there are a lot more of them. That's why you need to look at the stats on a per person basis for each ethnic group. If you did that, you're very likely to see that a larger proportion of Muslims of Pakistani origin in Britain have sexually abused children and teenagers (and it's usually only white girls that the Muslims target) than white people and those of other ethnic groups have.

A report compiled by The Times and published on 5 January 2011, related to convictions for a particular form of child sex grooming in the North and the Midlands: of the 56 offenders convicted since 1997 for crimes relating to on-street grooming of girls aged 11 to 16, three were white, 53 were Asian of which 50 were Muslim, most were from the British Pakistani community. Furthermore, The Times article alleged: "with the exception of one town there is scant evidence of work being undertaken in British Pakistani communities to confront the problem" of "pimping gangs" largely consisting of "members of the British Pakistani community".

Not only that, but Muslims get away with it. There has been a lot of controversy in recent years in Britain of the authorities turning a blind eye when people come to them to say that a gang of Muslim men is sexually abusing white girls. The authorities didn't react because they were scared of being seen as "racist". Basically, they were more concerned with being PC than protecting the victims of Muslims sex abusers. It is thought that over 1,400 white girls were sexually abused by Muslim men in Rotherham between 1997 and 2013, yet the authorities turned a blind eye. Now just imagine the authorities' reactions had it been gangs of white men sexually abusing hijab-wearing little Muslim girls....

[Batsy2]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Cases will be popping up in Manchester soon.

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Greater Manchester police (GMP), the third largest force in England and Wales, has been accused by serving and former detectives of attempting to cover up failings to tackle gangs of Asian men who were abusing young girls, according to an ITV News investigation...

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A statement from the police force said: “Considerable resources are now invested in a number of ongoing investigations and we have already made clear that further arrests will be made.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014 ... buse-gangs

GMP is the second-largest police force in England and Wales. Don't believe everything you read in The Graunaid.

[andyt]

Batsy2 Batsy2:

You have to remember that 87.1% of the British population is white. It's only that reason why the majority of sex abusers in Britain are white. It's not because whites are more prone to sexually abusing girls. It's just that there are a lot more of them. That's why you need to look at the stats on a per person basis for each ethnic group. If you did that, you're very likely to see that a larger proportion of Muslims of Pakistani origin in Britain have sexually abused children and teenagers (and it's usually only white girls that the Muslims target) than white people and those of other ethnic groups have.

In northern England yes. Read what I quoted about the ethnicity in other areas. Maybe they have fewer Asians there. The point is that the Daily Mail and it's accolytes FD et al take a report about one area of England and want to use that to claim this is the situation across England. The Daily Mail isn't running splashy stories about whos in the grooming gangs in other areas, because it doesn't feed their BNP agenda.

Also, street level grooming by gangs represents a small portion of child sexual exploitation as a whole. But again, the focus is only on one area where Asians predominate in one type of child sexual exploitation, as if other forms of exploitation don't exist or don't matter. By relentlessly focusing on this one area, you have people like Xort applying the stats to all of England. Then it becomes "we have to do something about the Muslims" instead of "we have to do something about child sexual exploitation of all forms" When the cops shift to exclusively going after Asians, and the new scandal breaks about how they ignored it by other groups, will the Daily Mirror splash that? Doubt it, as it doesn't fit with it's BNP agenda. Even if they do, FD won't splash here, because it doesn't fit with his agenda either.

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A report compiled by The Times and published on 5 January 2011, related to convictions for a particular form of child sex grooming in the North and the Midlands

Exactly makes my point.

[Zipperfish]

I'm still waiting for arrests on the previous cases that have made headlines. I woinder if things have just skipped back to "normal" after the headlines disappeared. There don't seem to be a lot of arrests.

Greater Manchester police "failed to pursue child abuse gang claims"

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Child sex grooming gangs have avoided prosecution due to a failure by one of the country’s biggest police forces to pursue claims against them, it has been alleged, threatening to reignite the debate over institutional neglect of young victims of sexual abuse.

Greater Manchester police (GMP), the third largest force in England and Wales, has been accused by serving and former detectives of attempting to cover up failings to tackle gangs of Asian men who were abusing young girls, according to an ITV News investigation.

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A statement from the police force said: “Considerable resources are now invested in a number of ongoing investigations and we have already made clear that further arrests will be made.

[martin14]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

There don't seem to be a lot of arrests.

Rotherham ?

There haven't been any.

A lot of the files have gone 'missing'. I can't imagine how that happened.