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Title: We'll put guards on Scottish border: Yes camp leads for first time in shock new poll
Category: World
Posted By: N_Fiddledog
Date: 2014-09-07 00:43:46

[martin14]

They would have to set up a border anyway; an independent Scotland would not be an EU memeber, and the application process would take years.

Why so much Labour noise and worry ?
40 Labour seats will be lost.

[Jabberwalker]

That's just Milliband spouting off. He would have to come to power, first and it is by no means certain what the electoral landscape would look like in a post-devolution Britain. There might even be a BNP government come to power if there s enough anger in England.

[saturn_656]

Seems if Scotland left the UK, border controls would obviously be required.

Kind of a no brainer, no matter what party is in power.

[Jabberwalker]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Seems if Scotland left the UK, border controls would obviously be required.

Kind of a no brainer, no matter what party is in power.

We didn't have much beyond tariff collection between Canada and the US. until dimwit George W. came to power. I swear that the current passport requirements were a direct result of Rick Mercer's "Talking to Americans" segment about Bush, rather than 9/11.

There isn't much border control in the EWU these days and if the English impose it, it will likely be for mean-spirited, vengeful reasons rather than anything practical. There are no border controls between France and Germany. Why would the English need to keep the Scots out?

[saturn_656]

France and Germany are both members of the EU.

Scotland won't be, post-yes vote. They'll be outside the UK, outside the EU, outside NATO, etc.

Might as well treat them accordingly. If they want the controls to come down they'll have to petition the EU for membership.

[Jabberwalker]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

France and Germany are both members of the EU.

Scotland won't be, post-yes vote. They'll be outside the UK, outside the EU, outside NATO, etc.

Might as well treat them accordingly. If they want the controls to come down they'll have to petition the EU for membership.

That doesn't make Scotland some sudden threat and if the border posts go up to collect revenue when none was collected before, it will be for punitive reasons probably on behalf of England. Tariffs don't automatically happen, EU membership or not, nor would they need to. No EU membership? ... up goes the draw bridge? Is that in the EU charter to treat non-members like shit? ... or the NATO charter? There is no logical reason at all to do any of that save an ancient hatred of the Scots and if that is the case and if that is what happens, England's required re-entry into the EU and NATO after the split should be questioned. Presumeably, England's status vis-à-vis these organizations post-devolution is exactly the same as Scotland's.

[Vamp018]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

France and Germany are both members of the EU.

Scotland won't be, post-yes vote. They'll be outside the UK, outside the EU, outside NATO, etc.

Might as well treat them accordingly. If they want the controls to come down they'll have to petition the EU for membership.

Here I thought only the Brits where known for blackmailing lol dang EU.

[saturn_656]

"England" doesn't have to re-enter these agreements. The United Kingdom (minus Scotland) will retain it's position in the international arena. As an independent entity, Scotland will have to negotiate it's way in.

If they want independence they should receive it. Warts and all.

[Vamp018]

Can I demand the end of the Common Wealth of Nations and declare Canada a Republic and dissolve the silly Parliament form??

[saturn_656]

Vamp018 Vamp018:

Can I demand the end of the Common Wealth of Nations and declare Canada a Republic and dissolve the silly Parliament form??

You can demand whatever you wish. You won't get it, but demand away.

[saturn_656]

Actually I misspoke with regards to border controls. The UK is outside the Schengen Area and has border controls with the rest of the EU, so Scotland joining the EU wouldn't lower them if they were to be enacted.

[martin14]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

No EU membership? ... up goes the draw bridge? Is that in the EU charter to treat non-members like shit? ...

Yes.

[saturn_656]

http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/world/scotland ... -1.2758337

The UK is offering Scotland a bribe. May tilt things to the "no" side, but then you are proving that the squeaky wheel will get the grease. Referendums will become a surefire way for the SNP to extort money and powers from the UK. Neverendums...

[Jabberwalker]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

"England" doesn't have to re-enter these agreements. The United Kingdom (minus Scotland) will retain it's position in the international arena. As an independent entity, Scotland will have to negotiate it's way in.

If they want independence they should receive it. Warts and all.

"The United Kingdom" or the "Union" specifically refers to the United Kingdom of England and Scotland which is really it's full name. Take way Scotland and you are left with Wales ... which is legally a part of England, England and Ulster, which is barely part of the UK at all. There is no "United Kingdom" without that old kingdom of Scotland and they will have to find a new name, as well as removing the cross of St. Andrew from their flag.

As I said, England should have the same status as an independent Scotland and should also have to negotiate their way in. If they are in fact so unequal, then the Scottish separatists have a good point and should leave. There is a feeling, hundreds of years old that England is an oppressive bully and this sort of mean-spirited sabotage is proving that the Scots are right.