[Newsbot]

Title: Some DND ships could be built outside Canada, government says | Ottawa Citizen
Category: Military
Posted By: Freakinoldguy
Date: 2016-01-21 01:05:59
Canadian

[Freakinoldguy]

And how does shipping jobs offshore help with Canadian jobs and Canadian infrastructure?

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The move appears to undercut the National Shipbuilding Procurement Strategy, designed to acquire replacement ships for Canada’s naval and coast guard fleets while creating jobs at home.

From the Throne Speech:

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From the speech: "And recognizing that public investment is needed to create and support economic growth, job creation and economic prosperity, the Government will make significant new investments in public transit, green infrastructure, and social infrastructure."

Given the Liberals seeming willingness to ship these types of contractor jobs offshore it paints a pretty clear picture of where the military stands when it comes to Liberal infrastructure spending.

[martin14]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

And how does this help with jobs and Canadian infastructure?

What are you, some kind of nationalist ?


Obviously we learned nothing from the limey subs.

Yes, the new government really is that stupid.

[Freakinoldguy]

martin14 martin14:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

And how does this help with jobs and Canadian infastructure?

What are you, some kind of nationalist ?


Obviously we learned nothing from the limey subs.

Yes, the new government really is that stupid.

Now that was a bargain if I ever saw one.

[Thanos]

Doesn't matter either way. Build them at home or buy them elsewhere. It'll still end up in a multi-billion dollar boondoggle with maybe a third, tops, of the required equipment eventually being delivered. Just the way it is.

[BeaverFever]

Thanos Thanos:

Doesn't matter either way. Build them at home or buy them elsewhere. It'll still end up in a multi-billion dollar boondoggle with maybe a third, tops, of the required equipment eventually being delivered. Just the way it is.

^ This.

I would rather we buy a tested and proven design already in operation than waste decades and billions designing something new. For the added cost of designing and building new ships, you can probably put every unemployed ship builder through university or a skilled job training program, while paying them a stipend at close to full salary.

Get the Canadian shipbuilding industry to build a proven European/US design under license, if they can do it for a reasonable cost. Or they can add Canadian mods to a design that's built overseas. But lets' be reasonable.

[Thanos]

Pretty sure that "reasonable" doesn't belong in any conversation centered around the procurement processes of the Canadian military.

[sandorski]

I prefer that we build them ourselves, but at the same time it might be more cost efficient to have them built elsewhere. Especially if it's a proven design.

[bootlegga]

I'm guessing nobody bothered to actually read the news article - it's talking about tug and fireboats, not frigates or destroyers.

How much Cancon do we need for fireboats or tugboats? Are fires different in Canada than the rest of the world?

Much ado about nothing, just like most of the griping emanating from the right these days.

[2Cdo]

bootlegga bootlegga:

Much ado about nothing, just like most of the griping emanating from the right these days.

But the 9 years "hidden agenda" from the left was thoughtful and concise criticism.

[Freakinoldguy]

bootlegga bootlegga:

I'm guessing nobody bothered to actually read the news article - it's talking about tug and fireboats, not frigates or destroyers.

How much Cancon do we need for fireboats or tugboats? Are fires different in Canada than the rest of the world?

Much ado about nothing, just like most of the griping emanating from the right these days.

It's a little more serious than just tugs and fireboats. The industry is genuinely concerned that the new Gov't will contract out even more shipbuilding.

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Industry representatives worry the proposal is the first serious challenge to the National Shipbuilding Procurement Strategy. If DND acquires ships that are built overseas, it could have a ripple effect on the overall proposed $36-billion shipbuilding procurement strategy, they warn.

As a Nation our shipbuilding capabilities have been slowly eroded from decades of Gov't interference, politicking and miserly policies. So, if what the industry fears come to pass we, as a maritime nation will be subject to the goodwill of the lowest foreign bidder.

There is no valid reason to change the Conservatives shipbuilding policy and take any of these shipbuilding jobs offshore other than to possibly save a buck to the detriment of the military.

I'm sorry but I've seen this same scenario happen far to often not to know that baring a miracle what the outcome will be.

[bootlegga]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

bootlegga bootlegga:

Much ado about nothing, just like most of the griping emanating from the right these days.

But the 9 years "hidden agenda" from the left was thoughtful and concise criticism.

You might be right if Harper hadn't killed the Wheat Board, killed the long gun registry, cut corporate taxes to the bone, brought in Bill C-51, (to name just a few things) that basically supported what those on the left warned about.

So far, Trudeau hasn't been guilty of anything other than trying too hard - like promising to bring 25,000 Syrians in by year's end (almost none of which most Conservatives supported anyways) and then failing to meet that self-imposed deadline.

Until then, most conservatives are just acting like they're consumed by TDS instead of thinking rationally.

[bootlegga]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

bootlegga bootlegga:

I'm guessing nobody bothered to actually read the news article - it's talking about tug and fireboats, not frigates or destroyers.

How much Cancon do we need for fireboats or tugboats? Are fires different in Canada than the rest of the world?

Much ado about nothing, just like most of the griping emanating from the right these days.

It's a little more serious than just tugs and fireboats. The industry is genuinely concerned that the new Gov't will contract out even more shipbuilding.

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Industry representatives worry the proposal is the first serious challenge to the National Shipbuilding Procurement Strategy. If DND acquires ships that are built overseas, it could have a ripple effect on the overall proposed $36-billion shipbuilding procurement strategy, they warn.

As a Nation our shipbuilding capabilities have been slowly eroded from decades of Gov't interference, politicking and miserly policies. So, if what the industry fears come to pass we, as a maritime nation will be subject to the goodwill of the lowest foreign bidder.

There is no valid reason to change the Conservatives shipbuilding policy and take any of these shipbuilding jobs offshore other than to possibly save a buck to the detriment of the military.

I'm sorry but I've seen this same scenario happen far to often not to know that baring a miracle what the outcome will be.

Oh please, the Liberals are the kings of pork (historically anyways) and aren't about to buy our ships from Finland or South Korea when they can pay 30 or 40 percent more in Canada and buy votes like crazy on both coasts.

I think the legitimate fear/concern is that this government will buy fewer hulls to save money.

All I can say is that better not happen.