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Title: Scientists warn the Sun has 'gone to sleep' and say it could cause temperatures to plunge
Category: Science
Posted By: N_Fiddledog
Date: 2014-01-18 22:36:40

[Freakinoldguy]

I'm sure the people in Australia will be overjoyed to hear this and once again it just shows that our climate is alot more dependant on outside forces than Al Gore and David Suzuki would have us believe.

Colder winters and hotter summers were the norm when I was young so this will be nothing new. The Yangtze will flood, Kilauea will erupt, Japan will have earthquakes and the world will be as it should, no matter what we do.

[desertdude]

Not only the Australians mate, would be a good respite from the 50C+ summers here too.

[andyt]

Very bad for Canada - we could lose our wheat growing ability.

The thing with global warming was that afaik the sun was not overly active. We also had solar dimming for 1960 to 1990, yet temps went up. Dimming has now reversed slightly, and the dimming may have reduced global warming, so we could see temps go up as well

Looks like things are more complicated than either side wants them to be. To say that all the CO2 we dump into the atmosphere has no effect on global temps seems stupid. We may not know all the factors that counteract this effect, but we then also don't know when those factors might abate and global temp really shoots up. Thing is, we're never going to reduce CO2 output to what would be required to reduce or even reverse the warming effect of it, so we'd better learn how to deal with whatever comes our way, instead of wasting money trying to reduce carbon emissions. Just too many bodies on the planet, too many more being born. Unless of course we manage to get fusion up and running - that could be the game changer. Probably find out the limits to that process when we do tho.

Funny how the deniers were all chortling about the cold snap that parts of Canada/US had just now, while ignoring what FOG mentioned - 100,000's of bats falling out of the sky in Australia because of he extreme heat. Vancouver is still balmier than it used to be, and right now in Saskatchewan they couldn't hold some outdoor hockey event because temps were too warm for good ice.

[ShepherdsDog]

The Prairies have always had thaws during the winter because the Chinooks roll across from Alberta all the way to Manitoba. Last week it had been nut sack retracting cold for weeks with windchills into the -50s all the way into the south. Then, we had a warm spell and it got up to -3 here in the north yesterday. This morning it was -24 with a windchill of -32 and mid week we`re expecting windchills of around -40

I remember curling in a few bonspiels on natural ice, when I was younger. It`d melt in January or February and we`d have loads of water all over the ice. Sweeping got you soaked and you`d be lucky to get your rocks(which left a wake) down to the hogline at your own end.

In the end, they`re going to discover that climate prediction is more effective when they use use fresh entrails.

[N_Fiddledog]

andyt andyt:

The thing with global warming was that afaik the sun was not overly active. We also had solar dimming for 1960 to 1990, yet temps went up. Dimming has now reversed slightly, and the dimming may have reduced global warming, so we could see temps go up as well

I know what you're talking about, but I'm not sure the picture you're painting is accurate. Wasn't it more like there was a period of less active solar activity, but wasn't it more like the sun was less active in comparison to the higher activity that preceded it? Is comparing that to what's happening now really accurate?

Also did you read the one last week in Nature saying how the Warmers are now looking for an excuse for the climate pause (no warming in 16-17 years) so they've hit on what skeptics used to highlight during the height of the warming hysteria. That being; the natural cycle of warmer water that may present itself as what's called the PDO seems to affect global temps, and that oscillation has gone quiet recently. However around the period you're talking about the PDO was so active it seemed anomalous. It was a period some call the "Great Pacific Climate Shift".

Here's an unrelated thing. If the quiet sun actually is going to cool things down, and let's pretend CO2 actually does have the hyper-active, positive feedback, Antarctic melting, Greenland boiling affect warmers attribute to it, wouldn't it be wise to start burning coal for industry like crazy? Wouldn't it be better to be warm than cold?

[PluggyRug]

andyt andyt:

Very bad for Canada - we could lose our wheat growing ability.

The thing with global warming was that afaik the sun was not overly active. We also had solar dimming for 1960 to 1990, yet temps went up. Dimming has now reversed slightly, and the dimming may have reduced global warming, so we could see temps go up as well

Looks like things are more complicated than either side wants them to be. To say that all the CO2 we dump into the atmosphere has no effect on global temps seems stupid. We may not know all the factors that counteract this effect, but we then also don't know when those factors might abate and global temp really shoots up. Thing is, we're never going to reduce CO2 output to what would be required to reduce or even reverse the warming effect of it, so we'd better learn how to deal with whatever comes our way, instead of wasting money trying to reduce carbon emissions. Just too many bodies on the planet, too many more being born. Unless of course we manage to get fusion up and running - that could be the game changer. Probably find out the limits to that process when we do tho.

Funny how the deniers were all chortling about the cold snap that parts of Canada/US had just now, while ignoring what FOG mentioned - 100,000's of bats falling out of the sky in Australia because of he extreme heat. Vancouver is still balmier than it used to be, and right now in Saskatchewan they couldn't hold some outdoor hockey event because temps were too warm for good ice.

We need more CO2, my carrots will grow bigger.

[ShepherdsDog]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Here's an unrelated thing. If the quiet sun actually is going to cool things down, and let's pretend CO2 actually does have the hyper-active, positive feedback, Antarctic melting, Greenland boiling affect warmers attribute to it, wouldn't it be wise to start burning coal for industry like crazy? Wouldn't it be better to be warm than cold?

They actually found that there was a cooling trend in climate when there was an upturn in economic activity. The extra particulate in the atmosphere blocked solar energy, and when there was an economic downturn the air cleared up and temperatures went up.


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[martin14]

Can't wait for the lefties to start crying for MORE CO2.

[llama66]

If anything this Maunder Minimum will further offset the upward trend in weather the last 60 years has brought, that said I read recently that the sunspot cycle does not have an effect on the climate.

Mind you it is a blog, so take it with a grain of salt.

http://www.carbonbrief.org/blog/2013/11 ... %E2%80%9D/

Its by a Space Environment Physics Professor from Reading University.

[Thanos]

Probably also a colleague of the head of the Spaceology Department at the Correspondence College of Tampa!

[andyt]

So these scientists are right and all the ones that say it's going to keep getting warmer are wrong? Guess they're all righties.

[Thanos]

Spike TV is also showing The Day After Tomorrow as we speak. Coincidence? I think not!

[llama66]

I think we know far less about how everything works than we think, and when this happens scientists bumble around until one of them actually puts all the facts together and shows us just how utterly ignorant we really were.

[andyt]

How will we know he pulled all the facts together and isn't just another bumbler?