[Newsbot]

Title: Schoolgirl found hanging from tree after suffering from 'rare allergic reaction to WiFi'
Category: Strange
Posted By: N_Fiddledog
Date: 2015-12-01 00:54:16

[DrCaleb]

Not possible. If you had an 'allergy' to 'WiFi', then you'd also have an allergy to that very large source of broad electromagnetic radiation we like to call 'The Sun'. This is why people have no faith in the next generation, it's because they are the product of their parents education!

[BartSimpson]

It was witchcraft that did it! I have spectral evidence to prove it, too!


Just another example of magical thinking in the 21st century.

[Brenda]

Poor girl

[BartSimpson]

Brenda Brenda:

Poor girl

I agree. Poor girl that she lived in the UK with a bullshit health care system that diagnosed her with a bullshit 'untreatable' illness so they didn't have to bother diagnosing and treating the actual illness.

[andyt]

Nowhere does it say the healthcare system diagnosed her. This is her mom's diagnosis. The girl had mental problems or some undiagnosed illness - to blame this on the UK healthcare system is just dogmatic foaming.

[Prof_Chomsky]

I'm not saying I believe EHS exists, or this girl had it. But to say it's not possible for this to exist because the Sun also produces the same radiation isn't factual.

The sun also produces low level alpha and beta radiation, but no one dies from it, with the exception of a few skin cancers. Drop a nuke which produces very high concentrations of the same radiation, and everyone winds up with cancer.

All these electrical devices produces radiation that are many orders of magnitude stronger than that of any natural source. If they didn't, they wouldn't work because they would be effectively jammed by the background radiation, like when you tried to watch TV as a kid and it was all snow.

I'd say this girl was mentally ill, and her mom put the idea in her head. But I'd also say the jury is out as to whether concentrated EM Radiation can cause headaches, or illness. Some animals and insects can detect these waves, so to think some humans can't do the same, and possibly react poorly isn't a stretch. The problem is, try creating a true double blind study in a world filled with these waves.

[ShepherdsDog]

So why aren't we finding dead kids hanging from the trees around areas near airports.... or power lines..... or generating stations.....or cell towers etc.?

[andyt]

Just as there are people with other environmental sensitivities this could be the case here. But I don't really think the mother has much to go on, and another cause is much more likely.

[Prof_Chomsky]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

So why aren't we finding dead kids hanging from the trees around areas near airports.... or power lines..... or generating stations.....or cell towers etc.?

That's not scientific at all.

We all live near power lines, cell towers etc. Teen suicide is higher than it's ever been. None of that proves anything either way. I'd guess teens kill themselves because of social issues and other pressures of youth. You could correlate that suicide rate with a rise in EM radiation, but that's not causation. You could correlate it to a million things like "increased time spent in cars" or "microfibre exposure", and it would be just as silly.

Double blind study is what you'd need.

[ShepherdsDog]

[DrCaleb]

Prof_Chomsky Prof_Chomsky:

I'm not saying I believe EHS exists, or this girl had it. But to say it's not possible for this to exist because the Sun also produces the same radiation isn't factual.

The sun also produces low level alpha and beta radiation, but no one dies from it, with the exception of a few skin cancers. Drop a nuke which produces very high concentrations of the same radiation, and everyone winds up with cancer.

No one dies from the UV radiation from the Sun that cause skin cancers? Compared to all the people dying from WiFi cancer?

Photons released from EM sources compared to the photons from the Sun are still photons! But the photons released by WiFi are not nearly as energetic as those from the Sun, about a two millionth as energetic, compared to 2.4gHz WiFi. They aren't ionizing, and therefore cannot promote bond cleavage and therefore can't cause cancers!

If anyone had an allergy to the photon radiation given off by WiFi, they'd also be allergic to the much stronger source of it in the sky.

[BartSimpson]

We had some douchebag here at the office whine about wifi and for once the management didn't cave in to her demand that we remove all of the wifi hotspots in the building.

[DrCaleb]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

We had some douchebag here at the office whine about wifi and for once the management didn't cave in to her demand that we remove all of the wifi hotspots in the building.

I encourage people like that to speak up, so they can be identified and treated.

$1:

A number of studies have been conducted where EHS individuals were exposed to EMF similar to those that they attributed to the cause of their symptoms. The aim was to elicit symptoms under controlled laboratory conditions.

The majority of studies indicate that EHS individuals cannot detect EMF exposure any more accurately than non-EHS individuals. Well controlled and conducted double-blind studies have shown that symptoms were not correlated with EMF exposure.

It has been suggested that symptoms experienced by some EHS individuals might arise from environmental factors unrelated to EMF. Examples may include “flicker” from fluorescent lights, glare and other visual problems with VDUs, and poor ergonomic design of computer workstations. Other factors that may play a role include poor indoor air quality or stress in the workplace or living environment.

There are also some indications that these symptoms may be due to pre-existing psychiatric conditions as well as stress reactions as a result of worrying about EMF health effects, rather than the EMF exposure itself.

http://www.who.int/peh-emf/publications/facts/fs296/en/

Or , depending on their motivation for expressing symptoms that don't exist.

[Prof_Chomsky]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Prof_Chomsky Prof_Chomsky:

I'm not saying I believe EHS exists, or this girl had it. But to say it's not possible for this to exist because the Sun also produces the same radiation isn't factual.

The sun also produces low level alpha and beta radiation, but no one dies from it, with the exception of a few skin cancers. Drop a nuke which produces very high concentrations of the same radiation, and everyone winds up with cancer.

No one dies from the UV radiation from the Sun that cause skin cancers? Compared to all the people dying from WiFi cancer?

Photons released from EM sources compared to the photons from the Sun are still photons! But the photons released by WiFi are not nearly as energetic as those from the Sun, about a two millionth as energetic, compared to 2.4gHz WiFi. They aren't ionizing, and therefore cannot promote bond cleavage and therefore can't cause cancers!

If anyone had an allergy to the photon radiation given off by WiFi, they'd also be allergic to the much stronger source of it in the sky.

We weren't talking about "WiFi cancer".

Again, if you think this through logically whatever the intensity the Sun radiates in the 2.4gHz bandwidth it would be orders of magnitude less intense than your WiFi router. It has to be, otherwise WiFi wouldn't work because it would be disrupted and washed out by the Sun's interference.

It would be like trying to send WiFi signals from one house to another using a 0.1 watt light bulb in the visible spectrum of light at high noon - the Sun's visible light would simple make it impossible to see.

A better analogy to explain how WiFi at 2.4gHz works would be to say you are sending WiFi with a high powered Maglight, in the dead of night, with only a tiny bit of reflected sunlight coming off the moon. Sure the Sun's light is still hitting the Earth, but it's only a very small amount. So the Maglight in that scenario is orders of magnitude stronger in that situation. That's exactly the same scenario with regard to the Sun's 2.4gHz wavelength strength when compared to WiFi. The Sun gives off almost no 2.4ghz radiation.

2.4gHz is the same as a microwave, at 125 million nanometers. The Sun emits almost NOTHING in that spectrum. Do a quick Google search. The whole reason we humans use microwaves, radio waves etc to communicate via wireless is that the Sun does NOT emit any radiation in this spectrum worthy of note and therefore can't interfere with those signals.

EDIT: http://www.windows2universe.org/sun/spe ... rview.html
FYI 125 million nanometers is 12.5cm