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Title: Rogue Indian political elements may be trying to make Canada look weak on Sikh extremism: source
Category: Political
Posted By: DrCaleb
Date: 2018-02-23 06:27:10
Canadian

[shockedcanadian]

This isn't India, this is Canada. Contact the RCMP and CSIS, they were complicit in this, and let's hear publicly the excuse from the MP who invited him. Why, who recommended? How did the contact happen? Do an internal investigation, I am n to bet some shady stuff is going on.

Furthermore, the NDP leader was put in place by design in an effort to split the minority vote and ensure Mini-Me Harper Conservative wins. As much as I have policy problems with Trudeau the last thing we need is another fake Reformist, closet Neo-Con. It's why Trudeau has to try so hard, dance and juggle in India to impress the large Indian voting bloc in Canada.

Trudeau has to move swiftly and push reform of the RCMP, find a leader, preferably someone who isn't corrupted by police culture in Canada to run the agency like it's 2018 and not 1915. Time to try and clean up the mess, yet again (Mulroney tried the first time, but the riff raff in Canada always finds a home). His chances of winning in 2019 went down significantly since NDP is lead by Singh, he knows this.

[BartSimpson]

India's Hindus hate the Sikhs, always have, and they particularly hate the Khalistan Independence 'movement' - which is not a centrally organized phenomenon.

I don't blame the Sikhs for desiring independence from New Delhi.

A Sikh page on the issue:

https://www.sikhfreedom.com/hindu-sikh-brotherhood

[Thanos]

Great column here. As shown with his immediate dive into altering the basic process of Canadian jury trials with these insane demands that juries "reflect diversity", Trudeau and his PMO are simply cavalier and reckless with the things they choose to do, especially when it comes to photo-ops with people that anyone in the federal government should be actively avoiding with a ten-thousand mile long pole. They quite clearly are deliberately choosing to NOT listen to any of the warnings that the RCMP and CSIS are giving them:

http://edmontonjournal.com/news/canada/ ... f129480ab5

$1:

Justin Trudeau’s disastrous passage to India brought to mind Mark Twain’s pilgrimage to Europe and the Holy Land in the Innocents Abroad.

“In Paris, they simply opened their eyes and stared at us when we spoke to them in French! We never did succeed in making those idiots understand their own language,” he wrote.

At least Twain was lampooning the cultural imperialism of North American tourists.

The Trudeaus looked to be in earnest. One can imagine the prime minister turning up at the Bollywood event in Mumbai in an elaborate sherwani, to be greeted by Bollywood stars in sober black suits, and saying: “Now I don’t want anyone to feel embarrassed …”

But the barrage of bad publicity was not just the result of flighty photo ops in costumes designed by a tailor apparently in the grip of the delirium tremens. More seriously, it was the result of systemic negligence in Trudeau’s office that brought embarrassment on Canada.

As the National Post reported Friday, Jaspal Atwal — the man convicted of attempted murder who was invited to a reception at the official residence of the Canadian High Commissioner this week — was taken off a blacklist by the Indian authorities.

The suggestion by senior security officials inside the Canadian government was that India’s intelligence service may have wanted Atwal to be close to Trudeau to embarrass him for being soft on Sikh separatism. But that does not explain how he came to be issued an invitation to the event by B.C. Liberal MP Randeep Sarai. More pertinently, it does not offer any clues why that invitation was not vetted and immediately killed by the Prime Minister’s Office.

“If they had Googled the name, this guy would have shown up in two seconds,” said Garry Keller, who was chief of staff to former foreign affairs minister John Baird.

He said under the Harper government, the PMO would start planning events for a major foreign visit, such as Trudeau’s trip to India, months in advance. The details would be conveyed to caucus and Cabinet, whose members would be asked to forward the names of constituents they would like invited. Those suggestions would be vetted at the political level in the PMO and then sent to the RCMP and Privy Council Office for more detailed security checks.

Keller suggested that, either no cross-checking was carried out, or the objections of the RCMP and PCO were ignored by the PMO because Atwal was well-known in Liberal political circles.

Either way, it reflects an extremely sloppy approach to the serious business of international diplomacy.

“They obviously decided they were going to do things differently and put their guy out there. But this has done irreparable damage to the relationship,” said Keller.

It is generally understood that Twitter retweets and links are not endorsements. But appearing in a posed photo with the prime minister does transmit an impression of legitimacy that is, far too often in the case of this government, undeserved.

Last March, Trudeau posed with Veluppillai Thangavelu, a former vice-president of the World Tamil Movement, a group Canada has outlawed as a terror organization. The picture was taken at a large political event and the prime minister could be forgiven for having been ambushed by someone he didn’t know, who happened to be associated with the Canadian front organization for the Tamil Tigers guerrilla group.

But the same excuse does not stand up in relation to the meeting with Joshua Boyle, the former hostage now facing criminal charges relating to incidents that took place after he was rescued from Pakistan.

Trudeau met Boyle, his wife and three children in his office in Ottawa before Christmas, two weeks before the former hostage was arrested.

The Prime Minister said all his meetings were cleared by his national security advisers and intelligence agencies.

That seems remarkable, says Keller.

“I worked on the Boyle case for a number of years and it was completely hinky,” he said.

Do we really have a national security apparatus as proficient as the button-pusher on a Hawaiian ballistic missile drill?

Calls to the RCMP’s automated media line went unreturned but, presumably, not because the Horsemen were asleep at the switch.

More likely, there is a political culture inside the Prime Minister’s Office that is prepared to take political risks in order to get Justin Trudeau in as many pictures with as many people as possible – even if they are widely known to be attempted murderers.

In that kind of cavalier environment, warnings from the security services can be dismissed as alarmist; impediments to the great political project of getting Trudeau and his team re-elected in 2019.

The Liberals have long been accused of moral relativism when it suits them. Atwal’s horrific acts of politically-motivated violence should not be obscured because he is a prominent Liberal or because the cause was Khalistani, not Quebec, separatism.

Trudeau’s government has now been burned too often for them to play the innocents at home, or abroad.

Add in embarrassments like shrugging their shoulders and going "meh" when Canadian-built military vehicles that were sold to the Saudis are recorded taking part in horrific acts of brutal repression in Yemen. Or trying to make a sale of helicopters to a maniac like Duterte in the Philippines, a sale that only came to an end when enough media attention made the federal government hesitate which in turn caused Duterte to throw a tantrum and cancel the sale for questioning his intended use for the helicopters. As far as India is concerned Trudeau and Gerald Butts are simply not taking anything seriously (including diplomatic relations with important countries like India and China) aside from winning domestic political advantage, even if that means they will happily reach out to extremist elements inside of Canada that are responsible for carnage abroad.

[shockedcanadian]

Thanos Thanos:

Great column here. As shown with his immediate dive into altering the basic process of Canadian jury trials with these insane demands that juries "reflect diversity", Trudeau and his PMO are simply cavalier and reckless with the things they choose to do, especially when it comes to photo-ops with people that anyone in the federal government should be actively avoiding with a ten-thousand mile long pole. They quite clearly are deliberately choosing to NOT listen to any of the warnings that the RCMP and CSIS are giving them:

http://edmontonjournal.com/news/canada/ ... f129480ab5

$1:

Justin Trudeau’s disastrous passage to India brought to mind Mark Twain’s pilgrimage to Europe and the Holy Land in the Innocents Abroad.

“In Paris, they simply opened their eyes and stared at us when we spoke to them in French! We never did succeed in making those idiots understand their own language,” he wrote.

At least Twain was lampooning the cultural imperialism of North American tourists.

The Trudeaus looked to be in earnest. One can imagine the prime minister turning up at the Bollywood event in Mumbai in an elaborate sherwani, to be greeted by Bollywood stars in sober black suits, and saying: “Now I don’t want anyone to feel embarrassed …”

But the barrage of bad publicity was not just the result of flighty photo ops in costumes designed by a tailor apparently in the grip of the delirium tremens. More seriously, it was the result of systemic negligence in Trudeau’s office that brought embarrassment on Canada.

As the National Post reported Friday, Jaspal Atwal — the man convicted of attempted murder who was invited to a reception at the official residence of the Canadian High Commissioner this week — was taken off a blacklist by the Indian authorities.

The suggestion by senior security officials inside the Canadian government was that India’s intelligence service may have wanted Atwal to be close to Trudeau to embarrass him for being soft on Sikh separatism. But that does not explain how he came to be issued an invitation to the event by B.C. Liberal MP Randeep Sarai. More pertinently, it does not offer any clues why that invitation was not vetted and immediately killed by the Prime Minister’s Office.

“If they had Googled the name, this guy would have shown up in two seconds,” said Garry Keller, who was chief of staff to former foreign affairs minister John Baird.

He said under the Harper government, the PMO would start planning events for a major foreign visit, such as Trudeau’s trip to India, months in advance. The details would be conveyed to caucus and Cabinet, whose members would be asked to forward the names of constituents they would like invited. Those suggestions would be vetted at the political level in the PMO and then sent to the RCMP and Privy Council Office for more detailed security checks.

Keller suggested that, either no cross-checking was carried out, or the objections of the RCMP and PCO were ignored by the PMO because Atwal was well-known in Liberal political circles.

Either way, it reflects an extremely sloppy approach to the serious business of international diplomacy.

“They obviously decided they were going to do things differently and put their guy out there. But this has done irreparable damage to the relationship,” said Keller.

It is generally understood that Twitter retweets and links are not endorsements. But appearing in a posed photo with the prime minister does transmit an impression of legitimacy that is, far too often in the case of this government, undeserved.

Last March, Trudeau posed with Veluppillai Thangavelu, a former vice-president of the World Tamil Movement, a group Canada has outlawed as a terror organization. The picture was taken at a large political event and the prime minister could be forgiven for having been ambushed by someone he didn’t know, who happened to be associated with the Canadian front organization for the Tamil Tigers guerrilla group.

But the same excuse does not stand up in relation to the meeting with Joshua Boyle, the former hostage now facing criminal charges relating to incidents that took place after he was rescued from Pakistan.

Trudeau met Boyle, his wife and three children in his office in Ottawa before Christmas, two weeks before the former hostage was arrested.

The Prime Minister said all his meetings were cleared by his national security advisers and intelligence agencies.

That seems remarkable, says Keller.

“I worked on the Boyle case for a number of years and it was completely hinky,” he said.

Do we really have a national security apparatus as proficient as the button-pusher on a Hawaiian ballistic missile drill?

Calls to the RCMP’s automated media line went unreturned but, presumably, not because the Horsemen were asleep at the switch.

More likely, there is a political culture inside the Prime Minister’s Office that is prepared to take political risks in order to get Justin Trudeau in as many pictures with as many people as possible – even if they are widely known to be attempted murderers.

In that kind of cavalier environment, warnings from the security services can be dismissed as alarmist; impediments to the great political project of getting Trudeau and his team re-elected in 2019.

The Liberals have long been accused of moral relativism when it suits them. Atwal’s horrific acts of politically-motivated violence should not be obscured because he is a prominent Liberal or because the cause was Khalistani, not Quebec, separatism.

Trudeau’s government has now been burned too often for them to play the innocents at home, or abroad.

Add in embarrassments like shrugging their shoulders and going "meh" when Canadian-built military vehicles that were sold to the Saudis are recorded taking part in horrific acts of brutal repression in Yemen. Or trying to make a sale of helicopters to a maniac like Duterte in the Philippines, a sale that only came to an end when enough media attention made the federal government hesitate which in turn caused Duterte to throw a tantrum and cancel the sale for questioning his intended use for the helicopters. As far as India is concerned Trudeau and Gerald Butts are simply not taking anything seriously (including diplomatic relations with important countries like India and China) aside from winning domestic political advantage, even if that means they will happily reach out to extremist elements inside of Canada that are responsible for carnage abroad.

Quite frankly, if I were him I wouldn't trust them either.

Canada has organizations who are far more concerned with CYA, avoiding accountability and increases in power/budget than they are about security.

Canada is in deep trouble, and Harper Jr. of the Conservatives isn't going to fix it if they are able to get the split of the minority vote from the NDP as they so desire. As Britain's influence waned we have also lost vast influence. It really began in the last administration and it won't be stopped.

We have become very similar to the systems we once despised. The cowards involved in destroying us will enjoy their years all on the backs of future generations.

[Fighter]

Indians deliberately targeted Trudeau, Indians (read extremist Hindus who are in power in India right now) hate Canada just because latter has soft spot for discriminated/fled Sikhs. Sikhs want to have their own state, named Khalistan.

Sikh community is honest and peace loving and yeah, they don't like Hindu nationalists who have problem with Muslims, Sikhs and to some extent Christians...

I feel sorry for Canadians and their prime minister here....Indians disrespect them and Canadians may didn't know even what this fuss is all about.

Won't affect on popularity of Trudeau though, in my opinion.

Canadian defense minister is also Punjabi aka Sikh...I am sure he will now be getting pissed off at Indians for doing this to Trudeau...He and his community already suspicious of India.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/01/indian-officials-banned-sikh-gurdwaras-180110101549090.html

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/sajjan-india-massacre-1.4076467

http://time.com/3545867/india-1984-sikh-genocide-anniversary/

We South Asians don't like India, generally...

Just recently Maldives and Bangladesh warned India to mind own business.

http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/south-asia/maldives-warns-india-against-interfering-as-ties-fray

http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/india-has-nothing-to-worry-about-china-bangla-ties-sheikh-hasina/article22813370.ece

Indian prime minister, Modi, hailed from hindu extremist organization, called "RSS"....He is extremist to core and blamed for Gujarat riots...

Check the following











As India’s Muslims are lynched, Modi keeps silent

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/global-opinions/wp/2017/06/28/as-indias-muslims-are-killed-modi-keeps-silent/

Christians, Sikhs Protest India's Prime Minister at the White House

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2017/june/christians-sikhs-protest-indias-prime-minister-at-the-white-house

Kashmiri and Punjabi groups gather at White House to protest Modi visit

http://dc.medill.northwestern.edu/blog/2017/06/26/kashmiri-and-punjabi-groups-gather-at-white-house-to-protest-modi-visit/

[DrCaleb]

The question no one seems to be asking; how did this guy get to India? He was banned for life when he was convicted of attempted murder. In this day and age, that sort of thing isn't forgotten easily.

How did he get from here to there? Answering that will tell you who wanted to embarrass the PM.

[Sunnyways]

This little kerfuffle isn’t about Canada - we don’t matter to anybody. It’s about a Hindu populist appeasing his base. Erdogan is cut from the same cloth. Khalistan hasn’t been a major league problem for decades in a country that has to deal with scores of armed insurgencies at any particular moment.

[ShepherdsDog]

PM idJT seems to be blaming the Indian government for his staff's screw up

Way to win friends and allies you brain dead narcissist.

[DrCaleb]

$1:

"We have seen the recent exchange in the Parliament of Canada regarding two invitations issued to Jaspal Atwal by the Canadian high commissioner, for functions hosted in honour of the Canadian Prime Minister in India," said Raveesh Kumar, an official spokesperson for the Indian government.

"Let me categorically state that the government of India, including the security agencies, had nothing to do with the presence of Jaspal Atwal at the event hosted by the Canadian high commissioner in Mumbai or the invitation issued to him for the Canadian high commissioner's reception in New Delhi. Any suggestion to the contrary is baseless and unacceptable."

So . . again let me ask, how did Atwal enter India being a known and convicted criminal? If he's banned from the country, he can't attend the event. If he's at the event, someone let him in the country! Someone in the Indian Government!

[Freakinoldguy]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

$1:

"We have seen the recent exchange in the Parliament of Canada regarding two invitations issued to Jaspal Atwal by the Canadian high commissioner, for functions hosted in honour of the Canadian Prime Minister in India," said Raveesh Kumar, an official spokesperson for the Indian government.

"Let me categorically state that the government of India, including the security agencies, had nothing to do with the presence of Jaspal Atwal at the event hosted by the Canadian high commissioner in Mumbai or the invitation issued to him for the Canadian high commissioner's reception in New Delhi. Any suggestion to the contrary is baseless and unacceptable."

So . . again let me ask, how did Atwal enter India being a known and convicted criminal? If he's banned from the country, he can't attend the event. If he's at the event, someone let him in the country! Someone in the Indian Government!

C'mon now. He's been reformed which is why Indian officials decided to lift his travel ban.

But to be honest his travel ban was lifted before Mr. Dressup took his travelling road show to India, so saying the Indian Gov't did this to embarrass our leader is a bit of a stretch given he did that all by himself.

$1:

Because of that conviction for attempted murder, the Indian government placed Atwal on a blacklist banning him from entering the country.

However, a government source says Atwal was mysteriously removed from that blacklist several months ago for unknown reasons.

Who's gov't source. Our excuse making team or an Indian Gov't source?

https://globalnews.ca/news/4041829/jasp ... eau-india/


Given that our PM is now claiming that the Indian Security Service is responsible for Mr. Atwal being allowed into India just to embarrass him is more than a little disconcerting, especially considering our Gov't has produced no evidence suggesting that's what really happened and given the fact that they invited him to the soiree.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/po ... e38124685/

These publicly expressed excuses are the actions the world would expect from the leader of a 3rd world Banana Republic not, the Prime Minister of Canada which, make our Gov't appear to be guilty.

So, while I laughed at the Tories, "just not ready" campaign I now believe they were 100% on the mark and Trudeau's gaff's combined with his parties soft on Sikh separatism have set back our relationship with India by decades.