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Title: Rochdale grooming trial: Nine men jailed
Category: Law & Order
Posted By: martin14
Date: 2012-05-09 09:48:46

[martin14]

$1:

Judge Gerald Clifton said the men, eight of Pakistani origin and one from Afghanistan, treated the girls "as though they were worthless and beyond respect".

Alias Yousaf: ''The impartiality of the jury may have been compromised''

The judge added: "One of the factors leading to that was the fact that they were not part of your community or religion.

"Some of you, when arrested, said it (the prosecution) was triggered by race. That is nonsense.

Because the Koran told them it was alright.

And the madrassa....


Some seriously disgusting shit in the article.

[andyt]

Well, they have a point. We're starting to see trial reversals because nobody on the jury was aboriginal, while the defendant was. Why shouldn't these guys be able to make the same claim?

[Zipperfish]

Some positive news: The judge specifically noted that the religion of the perpetrators was a factor.

One moderate Mulsim is speaking out:

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But Mohammed Shafiq, chief executive of moderate Muslim think-tank the Ramadhan Foundation, said the trial had exposed a real problem that should not be ignored out of fear it would galvanize racists.

"Race is a contributing factor and police have to confront it," he said. "We obviously have a problem with some Pakistani men, criminals, who engage in this behavior believing that white girls are worthless and they can use and abuse them in this way."

I wonder if they'll go jihad on his ass.

[gonavy47]

Won't last long in a British prison either. Comforting thought that.

[Lemmy]

andyt andyt:

We're starting to see trial reversals because nobody on the jury was aboriginal, while the defendant was.

citation?

[PublicAnimalNo9]

andyt andyt:

Well, they have a point. We're starting to see trial reversals because nobody on the jury was aboriginal, while the defendant was. Why shouldn't these guys be able to make the same claim?

Because you and various lefty bobble heads seem to be under the impression that Muslim is a race.
Think about it. That would be like a "Christian" on trial complaining that there weren't any Christians on the jury. Is Christian a race?
Besides, he can claim there weren't any of his "peers" on the jury but he can't know that for sure. I've seen MORE than a few westerners that converted to Islam.

[desertdude]

The jury in this matter is of no consequence, the jury could have consisted of any mix of race or religion. If there was clear evidence of the crime, they would have been convicted, because no one in their sane mind could not find them guilty and I for one am glad they were, in fact think the sentences are quite lenient.

And like I said earlier I have no issues with calling a spade a spade but idiots like Marin here cannot separate their hatred of Islam and Muslims with a gang of criminals who happen to be Muslims or that any of their actions were carried out in the name of any nation or religion and have to give it that twist when it has nothing to do with it. But again as metioned in my post in the other thread, it would be beneath them to waste such an opportunity to once again target Islam and Muslims.

Also another question comes to mind is where were the parents of these girls, not trying to take anything away from the horrendous nature of the crime or blaming the victim but it also boggles the mind that such young girls keep such company and none of the parents are aware of their wareabouts and activities or even suspicious ? I would also call this a parenting fail as well. I know people who have young children living in a different country and know about their offsprings where abouts.

[Brenda]

This is more a matter of culture than of race.

[Lemmy]

desertdude desertdude:

The jury in this matter is of no consequence, the jury could have consisted of any mix of race or religion.

Attorney's can challenge the jury pool during empanelling if it's not representative of the community. If the defense lawyer had a problem with the people summoned to the jury selection process, he could have made his challenge then.

[martin14]

desertdude desertdude:

The jury in this matter is of no consequence, the jury could have consisted of any mix of race or religion. If there was clear evidence of the crime, they would have been convicted, because no one in their sane mind could not find them guilty and I for one am glad they were, in fact think the sentences are quite lenient.

And like I said earlier I have no issues with calling a spade a spade but idiots like Marin here cannot separate their hatred of Islam and Muslims with a gang of criminals who happen to be Muslims or that any of their actions were carried out in the name of any nation or religion and have to give it that twist when it has nothing to do with it. But again as metioned in my post in the other thread, it would be beneath them to waste such an opportunity to once again target Islam and Muslims.

Also another question comes to mind is where were the parents of these girls, not trying to take anything away from the horrendous nature of the crime or blaming the victim but it also boggles the mind that such young girls keep such company and none of the parents are aware of their wareabouts and activities or even suspicious ? I would also call this a parenting fail as well. I know people who have young children living in a different country and know about their offsprings where abouts.

Well, the judge said differently DD, if you bothered to read any of it.

So the best you can come back with is personal attacks against me, along with
yet another round of blame the victim ?

Ranks right up there with " well she deserved to be raped, she was dressed like
a slut, you know her ankles were showing and everything "

To quote sandorski.... FAIL.

[andyt]

Lemmy Lemmy:

andyt andyt:

We're starting to see trial reversals because nobody on the jury was aboriginal, while the defendant was.

citation?

Well, I was wrong, it's not decided yet. But it could be:

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20 ... al-120430/

There's been lots of gnashing of teeth about the lack of aboriginals on juries, especially in Ontario. So these guys may well win their case, and if not, we may still see coming to pass a requirement that aboriginals be on a jury trying aboriginals. Or hell, the way our justice system is going, a totally separate system for aboriginals, since we already have aboriginal special sentencing provisions.

[andyt]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

andyt andyt:

Well, they have a point. We're starting to see trial reversals because nobody on the jury was aboriginal, while the defendant was. Why shouldn't these guys be able to make the same claim?

Because you and various lefty bobble heads seem to be under the impression that Muslim is a race.
Think about it. That would be like a "Christian" on trial complaining that there weren't any Christians on the jury. Is Christian a race?
Besides, he can claim there weren't any of his "peers" on the jury but he can't know that for sure. I've seen MORE than a few westerners that converted to Islam.

I think it's your head that's bobbling here. Read all the posts in the other string about this topic claiming that this is a race issue. Are they all lefties too? You want to get picky and pedantic about it fine, but you're pushing the river upstream.

[desertdude]

Lemmy Lemmy:

desertdude desertdude:

The jury in this matter is of no consequence, the jury could have consisted of any mix of race or religion.

Attorney's can challenge the jury pool during empanelling if it's not representative of the community. If the defense lawyer had a problem with the people summoned to the jury selection process, he could have made his challenge then.

I was just giving posing a hypothetical scenario

[Lemmy]

desertdude desertdude:

I was just giving posing a hypothetical scenario

Yeah, I was just sayin'.