[Newsbot]

Title: Riot boy's family is kicked out of home
Category: World
Posted By: martin14
Date: 2011-08-14 08:35:39

[martin14]

What is wrong with Britain, and to some extent Canada ?

Right here, folks.

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'I'm not responsible for my son's actions - what about my human rights?' says Daniel Sartain-Clarke's mother

Oh, but this isn't important, and it doesn't apply anyway, cuz I'm so special:

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Under housing rules his mother � as the tenant � can be evicted from their two-bedroom flat in Battersea if anyone living there is involved in criminality.

Kudos to Wandsworth council, only one thing concerns me.

The kid pled not guilty, tbh the Council should wait for the conviction.



At the end of the article..

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Earlier this week a petition calling for the thieves to lose all their welfare handouts became the first to be passed to Parliament under a new scheme.

It gathered more than 100,000 signatures � the threshold to trigger a Commons debate. The petition received so much web traffic that it crashed under the strain.

A small beginning, maybe it will help Cameron move things along.

[Brenda]

martin14 martin14:

What is wrong with Britain, and to some extent Canada ?

Right here, folks.

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'I'm not responsible for my son's actions - what about my human rights?' says Daniel Sartain-Clarke's mother

She is right, the kid is 18. She is not responsible anymore.

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Oh, but this isn't important, and it doesn't apply anyway, cuz I'm so special:

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Under housing rules his mother � as the tenant � can be evicted from their two-bedroom flat in Battersea if anyone living there is involved in criminality.

That's a dangerous one, and I bet not many families of which one person did something (apart from the riots) are actually evicted when they are convicted of a crime. I would fight it, because I think it is unconstitutional.

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Kudos to Wandsworth council, only one thing concerns me.

The kid pled not guilty, tbh the Council should wait for the conviction.

Guilty until proven innocent...

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At the end of the article..

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Earlier this week a petition calling for the thieves to lose all their welfare handouts became the first to be passed to Parliament under a new scheme.

It gathered more than 100,000 signatures � the threshold to trigger a Commons debate. The petition received so much web traffic that it crashed under the strain.

A small beginning, maybe it will help Cameron move things along.

I hope people will think with their mind instead of their emotions.

What I am seeing is that people are convicted of stealing something (not of rioting, just of theft or something) and get 4 months in jail in an overcrowded system anyway. That means that there is no room for them to actually lock them up, so they won't go to jail anyway. Other than that, before the riots, when you stole something, what did you get?
When you convict them of rioting, fine. But theft?

[sandorski]

Punishing a whole family due to one members actions is stupid.

[saturn_656]

I don't think they have to kick the mother out, but they could still bar the son from living there.

He is 18, he can go out into the world and find his own socialized housing unit.

[Smacle]

That's awesome. Should have waited for the actual conviction tho.

[Batsy]

Brenda Brenda:

She is right, the kid is 18. She is not responsible anymore.

In Britain, the fact that she lives in a council house means that she IS responsible for her son, no matter how old he is.

As this family live in a council house they should have been issued with a booklet known as a tenancy agreement.

The tenancy agreement is a list of rules from the landlord - the council - that the tenants need to obey, such as "No pets" etc.

The tenancy agreement clearly states that tenants are responsible for the behaviour of EVERYONE (including children) living in their council home. They are also responsible for visitors to their home. The tenant is responsible for them in their home, on surrounding land, in shared areas and in the neighbourhood around their home.

Therefore, if this kid is found guilty of what he did, then it's well within the rights of the council to kick the whole family out.

See: http://www.rcthomes.co.uk/main.cfm?type ... ct_id=2543

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When someone becomes an RCT Homes tenant, they sign a legal contract called a tenancy agreement. It states clearly that tenants are responsible for the actions of everyone who lives in or visits their home (including children). If problems carry on, we can take away some of a tenant’s rights. If they continue to behave anti-socially, they could be moved from their home. However, eviction is a last resort.

See: http://www.uwha.co.uk/Tenant/asb%20-%20 ... olicy.html

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The tenancy agreement clearly states that tenants are responsible for the behaviour of everyone (including children) living in, or visiting, their home. The tenant is responsible for them in their home, on surrounding land, in shared areas and in the neighbourhood around their home.

Where anti-social behaviour is serious and persistent, we are committed to taking enforcement action when necessary, including but not limited to:-

► Injunctions
► Undertaking
► Notice Seeking Possession
► Anti-social Behaviour Orders (ASBO)
► Demoted tenancies
► Possession Orders
► Eviction

[Thanos]

Good. Kick the whole miserable lot of them out of Britain altogether too.

[Brenda]

IF.
Now my question is, what if he had shoplifted 3 months ago? Would they have been kicked out 3 months ago? Or would the store have called the cops, and the cops would have said: "bad boy, don't do it again, now go home", and that would be it?

You see, I have a problem with the fact that since it was a mass theft, people all of a sudden get HUGE punishments for a crime, if committed 3 months ago, they would have gotten nothing.
If they would have convicted everybody of "rioting", or "arson" or "aggravated assault", and given the punishments they would have gotten 3 months ago, fine. But "violent disorder and attempting to steal electronic goods"? Hell, that is a normal Saturday night out in the town, and no one ever gets charged for that.

I want to make VERY clear that I do not condone the riots in ANY way, but justice is justice, and just making "justice" more "justifiable" when "1000's of people" are doing it and city's are burning, is not justice. That is vengeance.
I would love to see the people who set cars and houses on fire get convicted, especially when there were people in the buildings. Charge them with the harshest thing you can think of. But let justice be served.

[Batsy]

Brenda Brenda:

IF.
Now my question is, what if he had shoplifted 3 months ago? Would they have been kicked out 3 months ago?

Who knows? British councils already have the power to evict families from council homes if they break the law. It has happened before. If he committed a crime three months ago the council may have said "enough is enough" and evicted the family.

[martin14]

There hasn't been any 'justice' in the UK for along time now, just a lot of excuses
and cries for more government money from the apologists.

People are now seriously pissed off, and officials are finally picking up on it.

Hence, the decision of the Council.


Nothing strange that they are FINALLY enforcing some of the agreements they make
with their tenants.
Obviously Mommy never read the agreement she signed.

Sends notice to other people living in Council housing, the ride on the gravy
train might have just hit a bump.

[Gunnair]

martin14 martin14:

What is wrong with Britain, and to some extent Canada ?

Right here, folks.

$1:

'I'm not responsible for my son's actions - what about my human rights?' says Daniel Sartain-Clarke's mother

Oh, but this isn't important, and it doesn't apply anyway, cuz I'm so special:

$1:

Under housing rules his mother � as the tenant � can be evicted from their two-bedroom flat in Battersea if anyone living there is involved in criminality.

Kudos to Wandsworth council, only one thing concerns me.

The kid pled not guilty, tbh the Council should wait for the conviction.



At the end of the article..

$1:

Earlier this week a petition calling for the thieves to lose all their welfare handouts became the first to be passed to Parliament under a new scheme.

It gathered more than 100,000 signatures � the threshold to trigger a Commons debate. The petition received so much web traffic that it crashed under the strain.

A small beginning, maybe it will help Cameron move things along.

I think you mean, "What is wrong with people these days?" because quite frankly, this is not representative of all Canadians or Britons, only the vocal fucktards that get media time.

Canada is a Liberal democracy, but frankly, I'm a little fed up that everyone equates Canada to some massive panderer to the chronically irresponsible ( which some also suggests is the vast majority of our population - they are not.) We saw, in Vancouver, examples of both, and frankly, Briton is doing what Canada should have done - and that's take these fuck faced looters to task - at every level!

[Gunnair]

Thanos Thanos:

Good. Kick the whole miserable lot of them out of Britain altogether too.

... and he's back!

[martin14]

Gunnair Gunnair:

I think you mean, "What is wrong with people these days?" because quite frankly, this is not representative of all Canadians or Britons, only the vocal fucktards that get media time.

Canada is a Liberal democracy, but frankly, I'm a little fed up that everyone equates Canada to some massive panderer to the chronically irresponsible ( which some also suggests is the vast majority of our population - they are not.) We saw, in Vancouver, examples of both, and frankly, Briton is doing what Canada should have done - and that's take these fuck faced looters to task - at every level!

It's a systemic problem, for the last 40-50 years people have spent a lot of time
shouting for peoples' rights, while completely abrogating

their 'responsibilities' as citizens.



And you are right, Courts in the UK are running at night, overnight, prisoners are
stacked up in vans waiting outside the courthouse. At least it looks like
they are doing something.

Haven't heard of anything remotely similar in Vancouver.

[Brenda]

Vancouver doesn't even come close to this anyway.