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Title: Property tax hikes shutting down some businesses, driving others to the brink | CTV Calgary News
Category: Business
Posted By: uwish
Date: 2016-06-07 20:52:51
Canadian

[Alta_redneck]

Their not to blame the city this time around, after the budget was set the Dippers came in with a 10.2% increase in school taxes.

[DrCaleb]

But, let's not blame the Conservatives who built so many schools with no plan on how to pay to maintain them.

[OnTheIce]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

But, let's not blame the Conservatives who built so many schools with no plan on how to pay to maintain them.

Yea, I'm sure the increase is directly due to those new schools. No other factors involved.

[Lemmy]

$1:

Property tax hikes shutting down some businesses

Which businesses? Stats? Nope, fail.

[peck420]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

But, let's not blame the Conservatives who built so many schools with no plan on how to pay to maintain them.

Unless fingers start getting pointed at the school boards as well, nothing will ever get fixed.

Same with the TA. They have far, far more say than most think...in school maintenance. It is routine to see costs balloon to placate individual teacher requests. Which, does ultimately fall back on the board that has jurisdiction...they do sign off on it.

This isn't a one entity is failing issue. This is a top to bottom issue.

[DrCaleb]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

But, let's not blame the Conservatives who built so many schools with no plan on how to pay to maintain them.

Yea, I'm sure the increase is directly due to those new schools. No other factors involved.

I'm sure there are. But 200 new schools province wide is a big factor in it. They are a major number of the unfunded capital projects this year.

http://finance.alberta.ca/publications/ ... d-projects

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/s ... -1.3258714

[Alta_redneck]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

But, let's not blame the Conservatives who built so many schools with no plan on how to pay to maintain them.

That's where it gets funny, I don't think they built those schools.

[Thanos]

Can't let the city of Calgary off the hook, not when they're taxing small businesses like restaurants at 300% higher rates than residential homes. There isn't a single "spare" dollar in this city that the council and mayor don't think belongs to them. Their taxation and spending was far out of control long before the NDP took over in Edmonton. Things like the $15 minimum wage or carbon tax might be the death blow for some of these businesses but the worst of the damage was done long before by the multiple times the city shoved the dagger as far into these businesses in order to see how much more money, err, blood would leak out.

The one restaurant owner mentioned how his business was fucked up even more by that idiotic cycle track the city's strung throughout downtown Calgary. I've seen dumb government things in my life but that ridiculous pathway is near the top of the most-stupid list of all of them. On the one major avenue, where this guy's business is, they effectively took an efficient three-lane roadway and dropped it down to one. It's a complete joke, but with a council controlled by greenies that are ideologically committed to a war on cars it's just going to get worse and never better.

[Thanos]

Alta_redneck Alta_redneck:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

But, let's not blame the Conservatives who built so many schools with no plan on how to pay to maintain them.

That's where it gets funny, I don't think they built those schools.

Didn't they also take about a half-billion or so for the redesigned office building in Edmonton where Redfraud had her sky-palace set up?

[Lemmy]

How does the funding work for schools in AB? Because in Ontario, Mike Harris amended the Education Act to provide funding only for new builds. No renovation of existing facilities. It was a HUGE favour to the construction industry in Ontario. Did the AB Conservatives run the same playbook?

[DrCaleb]

Thanos Thanos:

Alta_redneck Alta_redneck:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

But, let's not blame the Conservatives who built so many schools with no plan on how to pay to maintain them.

That's where it gets funny, I don't think they built those schools.

Didn't they also take about a half-billion or so for the redesigned office building in Edmonton where Redfraud had her sky-palace set up?

$375 million.

http://globalnews.ca/news/1761085/alber ... -february/

[DrCaleb]

Lemmy Lemmy:

How does the funding work for schools in AB? Because in Ontario, Mike Harris amended the Education Act to provide funding only for new builds. No renovation of existing facilities. It was a HUGE favour to the construction industry in Ontario. Did the AB Conservatives run the same playbook?

They tried to build schools on a 'P3' model, where schools would be built and maintained by private companies, and the government would lease them. That collapsed with Redford's defeat. Prentice announced more schools, but not how they would be funded. So the NDP were left with all these school projects, and no way to build or maintain them.

Many schools didn't even get built in the right places because of the Federales cancelling the long form census. There is a big problem with overcrowding now, and there is a run on portable trailers that can be used to house the overflow.

[OnTheIce]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Lemmy Lemmy:

How does the funding work for schools in AB? Because in Ontario, Mike Harris amended the Education Act to provide funding only for new builds. No renovation of existing facilities. It was a HUGE favour to the construction industry in Ontario. Did the AB Conservatives run the same playbook?

They tried to build schools on a 'P3' model, where schools would be built and maintained by private companies, and the government would lease them. That collapsed with Redford's defeat. Prentice announced more schools, but not how they would be funded. So the NDP were left with all these school projects, and no way to build or maintain them.

Many schools didn't even get built in the right places because of the Federales cancelling the long form census. There is a big problem with overcrowding now, and there is a run on portable trailers that can be used to house the overflow.

So, the reason for the tax increase was due to a bunch of schools that may not have ever been built?

[DrCaleb]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Lemmy Lemmy:

How does the funding work for schools in AB? Because in Ontario, Mike Harris amended the Education Act to provide funding only for new builds. No renovation of existing facilities. It was a HUGE favour to the construction industry in Ontario. Did the AB Conservatives run the same playbook?

They tried to build schools on a 'P3' model, where schools would be built and maintained by private companies, and the government would lease them. That collapsed with Redford's defeat. Prentice announced more schools, but not how they would be funded. So the NDP were left with all these school projects, and no way to build or maintain them.

Many schools didn't even get built in the right places because of the Federales cancelling the long form census. There is a big problem with overcrowding now, and there is a run on portable trailers that can be used to house the overflow.

So, the reason for the tax increase was due to a bunch of schools that may not have ever been built?

No, it's to fund the projects that need to be built, and maintaining other. From the CBC link earlier:

$1:

The previous government announced 50 new and expanded schools and 70 school modernizations between April 2013 and February 2014.

Then, an additional 56 new and expanded schools and 21 school modernizations were announced between September and December 2014.

Of those 197 projects, 101 will be delayed, according to the current government.

About 20 delays will be a matter of months, while roughly 70 projects will be delayed by a year or more. Estimated completion dates are still being confirmed for some projects.

Completion dates may change again, as the province works with school boards on individual projects.

There have been a number of successive governments that have neglected infrastructure spending, and schools have been a big chunk of that.