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Title: Police struggling to cope with emboldened riot culture in Canada | News | National Post
Category: Law & Order
Posted By: EyeBrock
Date: 2012-05-19 10:48:45
Canadian

[andyt]

It's because police can't seem to get it right. They either do nothing while the dickheads re running rampant, or come down hard on peaceful protests people. In Toronto they seem to have done both. Surely the police forces we have can come up with a more sophisticated response than that.

[Thanos]

More liberal use of pepper spray and water cannons would seem to be warranted as a minimum. Techological applications too, ranging from beanbag guns to stun grenades to sticky foam to soundwave attacks should also be greatly increased in number. Criminal charges for rioting too that can't be stricken off the record with a pardon application, including hard prison time for the leaders and repeat offenders, and no more pussying out with limp wristed fines.

Bring the hammer down first, and hard too. Then worry about all the media/opposition party whining later. This is war between order and chaos. Treat it as such.

[Thanos]

Right. Everything bad that ever happens anywhere is because of the cops.

Brock, add a fucking poll to this thread. One question "Do you hate the police?" and two response options "yes" or "no". It won't be a surprise that the results will be closer that most normal people would like to assume. I guess we have to let the sub-moronic idiots and dopeheads who are still nursing grudges against the police from their days of hanging out in the parking lot at high school have their say.

[Gunnair]

GRUMPY1 GRUMPY1:

The so-called riot culture Was basically created by the police themselves.

So many people saw so many cases of misconduct And criminal activity gone Unpunished That they lost respect For the authority that police stood for

I don't really expect anyone involved in law-enforcement to actually understand that ,because most of them believe that they deserve respect simply because they have a uniform on.......

Couple of things here:

GRUMPY1 GRUMPY1:

So many people saw so many cases of misconduct And criminal activity gone Unpunished That they lost respect For the authority that police stood for

Well, it's hardly the fault of the police since they don't actually punish. Maybe more so the justice system and the Charter that gives the appearance of pandering to the rights of the criminal as opposed to those of the victim.

GRUMPY1 GRUMPY1:

I don't really expect anyone involved in law-enforcement to actually understand that ,because most of them believe that they deserve respect simply because they have a uniform on.......

That sounds suspiciously like the statement of someone with a personal agenda and not a more professional observation. You wouldn't happen to have a Diggerdick persona as well, would you?

[Gunnair]

andyt andyt:

It's because police can't seem to get it right. They either do nothing while the dickheads re running rampant, or come down hard on peaceful protests people. In Toronto they seem to have done both. Surely the police forces we have can come up with a more sophisticated response than that.

Police are the arm of both the justice system and the politicians. Maybe you could ask them that question.

[OnTheIce]

GRUMPY1 GRUMPY1:

The so-called riot culture Was basically created by the police themselves.

So many people saw so many cases of misconduct And criminal activity gone Unpunished That they lost respect For the authority that police stood for

I don't really expect anyone involved in law-enforcement to actually understand that ,because most of them believe that they deserve respect simply because they have a uniform on.......

The police are making increases to tuition in Quebec?

That post was a bunch of garbage.

[Gunnair]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

GRUMPY1 GRUMPY1:

The so-called riot culture Was basically created by the police themselves.

So many people saw so many cases of misconduct And criminal activity gone Unpunished That they lost respect For the authority that police stood for

I don't really expect anyone involved in law-enforcement to actually understand that ,because most of them believe that they deserve respect simply because they have a uniform on.......

The police are making increases to tuition in Quebec?

That post was a bunch of garbage.

Uhhh.... did you really need to be so generous here?

[ShepherdsDog]

Gunnair Gunnair:

andyt andyt:

It's because police can't seem to get it right. They either do nothing while the dickheads re running rampant, or come down hard on peaceful protests people. In Toronto they seem to have done both. Surely the police forces we have can come up with a more sophisticated response than that.

Police are the arm of both the justice system and the politicians. Maybe you could ask them that question.

or maybe the great sage could offer a recommendation rather than just a criticism.

[Gunnair]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Gunnair Gunnair:

andyt andyt:

It's because police can't seem to get it right. They either do nothing while the dickheads re running rampant, or come down hard on peaceful protests people. In Toronto they seem to have done both. Surely the police forces we have can come up with a more sophisticated response than that.

Police are the arm of both the justice system and the politicians. Maybe you could ask them that question.

or maybe the great sage could oiffer a recommendation rather than just a criticism.

I suppose there is always a first time.

[ShepherdsDog]

That post of yours will make gardens greener and that's about it.

[Gunnair]

GRUMPY1 GRUMPY1:

What many people don't seem to grasp Is why the protests get out of control. Because the people have lost respect For the police as an authority figures.

Now the question is why has that happened.

My theory is,As I said before.

Many of the younger people have seen The police do Misconduct and criminal actions That have gone unpunished .

whether it was the Vancouver riot or the problems they are havinghe right now.

if the police had the ability to retain that respect , their ability to have authority among the younger people in situations where crowds gather

Sooooo.... you are surmising here that people are making a conscious decision to do wrong because they have seen a handful of cops do wrong?

You see were I'm going with this?

[andyt]

From the article:

$1:

Many point to the 1997 protests at the APEC Conference in Vancouver as the genesis of Canada’s riot culture. It made household names of protester Jaggi Singh and RCMP Staff Sgt. Hugh Stewart, dubbed Sgt. Pepper because of his liberal application of pepper spray.

It seemed the battle lines, inherited by most protests since, were drawn during that hectic week.

APEC led to a public inquiry, where deficiencies in police planning and action were chronicled and with many of those same complaints echoed in this week’s report on the G20, it raises questions of what has been learned.

From wiki:

$1:

In one of the findings condemning RCMP behavior issued in the final report by the Commission, it was noted that: "Mr. Jaggi Singh was arrested on a warrant based on a spurious charge; the manner of his arrest was inappropriate in the circumstances; the timing of the arrest was calculated to prevent him from attending protests on November 25; the bail conditions sought were overly restrictive."

What's more worrisome, a few dozen blockheads running riot, or the police throwing civil rights out the window?

For me, the whole thing started with the "Gastown riot" in 1971. Up until then, the cops could just kick ass, because it was just hippies' asses they were kicking. At the Gastown smoke-in, (very peaceful, as they have been ever since) the cops went bezerk and rode down tourists and moms and pops with their horses. They lost a lot of cred from then on.

[CDN_PATRIOT]

GRUMPY1 GRUMPY1:

The so-called riot culture Was basically created by the police themselves.

Please explain this.

GRUMPY1 GRUMPY1:

So many people saw so many cases of misconduct And criminal activity gone Unpunished That they lost respect For the authority that police stood for

You seem to speak for the majority of the country in this statement. Please tell us in great detail, how you conducted this country-wide survey of yours, and how you managed to touch every corner of Canada to get your results, and the people whom you spoke to.

Are some people miffed by the police in general? Yes. These things happen. To lose respect for the thin blue line that protects us all is the easy way out.

GRUMPY1 GRUMPY1:

I don't really expect anyone involved in law-enforcement to actually understand that ,because most of them believe that they deserve respect simply because they have a uniform on.......

The problem is two fold. They don't respect us as much as they used to, because we as a whole stopped respecting them as much as we should. That's the problem with the world these days: a universal lack of respect to others. No wonder this world has so much problems. No one can leave well enough alone, and have enough respect for anything or anyone.

-J.

[Gunnair]

GRUMPY1 GRUMPY1:

In the eyes of many people,Seeing authority figures getting away With misconduct and criminal activities Without being severely punished.

Is a trigger To disobey authority.

The protests And the riots Should be judged separately.

Because Even though they happened together each happened for separate reasons...

Well, that speaks far more about the people disobeying authority than it does for the handful of bad cops.

You see, they could take the moral highground, but they consciously choose not to. That makes them every bit the piece of shit as the cops - more so in that they opt to trash private property to make their point.