[Newsbot]

Title: Pink Floyd founder cancels Poland concerts after remarks blaming ‘extremist’ Ukrainians for setting country on path to war
Category: Showbiz
Posted By: DrCaleb
Date: 2022-09-25 10:17:05
Canadian

[llama66]

I reiterate my dislike for this blowhard.

[DrCaleb]

I reiterate that people in one industry may have a limited view of other subjects. Especially if they are in sports or entertainment.

[llama66]

With Respect, Argument invalid. Prick has access to the same resources everyone else does. More probably. Ignorance is no excuse. He doubles down on his arrogance any chance he gets.

[JaredMilne]

Isn't Roger Waters the same knucklehead who said Britain should hand the Falklands over to Argentina despite the 97% referendum among Falklanders staying part of Britain? And how much claim does Argentina even have, given that the islands were uninhabited when Britain started settling it?

Yeah, the drugs have pretty much fried his brain.

[DrCaleb]

llama66 llama66:

With Respect, Argument invalid. Prick has access to the same resources everyone else does. More probably. Ignorance is no excuse. He doubles down on his arrogance any chance he gets.

I think we are arguing the same thing. He has the same access to information as the rest of us, but that doesn't mean he will use it. Just like so many of us. Some people are in their own worlds, and don't care about anyone else. They rely on rumours and innuendo for their facts.

That said, if he does read the same things as the rest of us, and still came to that idiotic conclusion, then he certainly is far more arrogant than I give him credit for. Or he's just floating bullshit to keep his name relevant and in the news cycle.

[llama66]

His arrogance killed Pink Floyd. This is unforgivable.

[xerxes]

“And the worms, ate into his brain….”

I see where Waters is coming from, to a point. He is an anti-war absolutist. So he will shit on anyone engaging in conflict. But that’s the problem here. Ukraine didn’t want a war, but Russia insisted and do they’re defending themselves. Dude needs to see though his Bubbles thick, rose coloured glasses.

[Thanos]

Waters is so obtuse and belligerent now that it wouldn't have been a surprise at all if he'd whipped out his Amateur History Degree said to the Poles something like "according the Partitions of the 1790's & the Congress of Vienna in 1815 your country shouldn't even exist at all, so how about you voluntarily dissolve your nation & hand everything over to Russia so the region can live in peace, PS - and take all those damn Jews with you". He's come out now as the best living example of how much it sucks to see your old heroes turn into total assholes as they get older. I can't believe anymore that this is the same guy that created The Final Cut or The Wall. At this stage he's just a horrifying hard-left version of Drunk Uncle.

[Scape]

He is an anti-war hippy too set in his ways from age he's not going to change now. He is the old man screaming get off my lawn to the Ukrainians because it upsets his world view of 'US imperialism bad'. Objectivity is hard to maintain when you base your world view on preconceived ideas.

[Thanos]

It gets more pathetic with the potential "reasoning" that Waters is doing this out of personal spite, with Ukraine getting caught in the blowback, simply because David Gilmour & Pink Floyd put out a song in support of Ukraine after Russia attacked them. These two old farts hate each other so much due to the way the band broke up in 1986, and from Waters' failed lawsuits to stop them from recording and touring under the Pink Floyd name, that it's been a non-stop series of tit-for-tat reactions against each other for the last thirty-five years. This is how stupidly vicious musicians can get with each other when things go the hell in the original band or group.

[herbie]

llama66 llama66:

His arrogance killed Pink Floyd. This is unforgivable.

[xerxes]

Thanos Thanos:

Waters is so obtuse and belligerent now that it wouldn't have been a surprise at all if he'd whipped out his Amateur History Degree said to the Poles something like "according the Partitions of the 1790's & the Congress of Vienna in 1815 your country shouldn't even exist at all, so how about you voluntarily dissolve your nation & hand everything over to Russia so the region can live in peace, PS - and take all those damn Jews with you". He's come out now as the best living example of how much it sucks to see your old heroes turn into total assholes as they get older. I can't believe anymore that this is the same guy that created The Final Cut or The Wall. At this stage he's just a horrifying hard-left version of Drunk Uncle.

Right?

Morrissey? Total asshole
Clapton? Racist asshole
Waters? Willfully ignorant asshole

[DrCaleb]

Scape Scape:

Objectivity is hard to maintain when you base your world view on preconceived ideas.

Preconceived, and wrong ideas. You can float past the cogitative bias, if it turns out to be true.

[Thanos]

Waters would probably also say that what the Russians endured in World War Two was so horrible that there's no way we would understand it or understand how it left a permanent change on their society and mentality. And he'd be partially correct in that assessment - we have no idea because as bad as the war was in Western Europe, Italy, the African desert, the air combat over Germany, and the Atlantic pales in comparison to the brutality and sheer hatred that was on display on the Eastern Front. The Germans were terrible enough enemies on the fronts against the Allies where the rules of conduct were followed by both sides most of the time. In the East though where all civilized conduct wasn't just abandoned but actively discouraged altogether by the Nazi Party and the German high command, where it was a literal free-for-all for any murderer or sadist in German uniforms to do whatever they pleased anytime they wanted to the hapless locals trapped under their occupation? Yeah, we have no idea how bad that was.

The thing is though if he was asked if the Israelis have the same reasoning or logic for (allegedly) abandoning all decency in their own wars that the apparently Russians do in Waters' mind, he'd immediately say no. He'd discount the multi-generational trauma that's existed in Israel for over 75 years, a place where people still alive today have the memory of their entire families and their entire culture being exterminated. He'd discount the endless terrorism campaigns and outright invasions perpetrated by the Arabs against Israel. He'd discount the forced expulsion of hundreds of thousands of Jews from Muslim-dominated states since 1948, an internationally illegal act conducted by Muslims against the Jews that lived there for centuries that was committed for no other reason than revenge for the founding of Israel. And he'd actively support the endless harassment of Israel by the UN, on committees allegedly dedicated to "human rights" that have members from states like Iran, Saudi Arabia, China, Indonesia, and Russia deciding who and who isn't going to be labelled an international pariah.

Waters is identical to everyone who's ever made themselves out to be a pillar of humane righteousness. His heart bleeds endlessly for whoever he's embraced, even if that includes the likes of Putin's Russia or the murder-machine in Hamas, but is entirely merciless towards those who he's opted to detest (Ukraine, Israel, Taiwan). Guys like Waters can't be debated because they simply won't listen and they're too trapped in their own personal ideologies that have led them to where they are now. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be confronted though. They don't deserve seal-like applause from their fans and cohorts who either agree with them entirely or are too scared of them to dissent from the one-sided ahistorical crap they peddle.