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Title: PBO to examine $60 billion price tag of new warships | Ottawa Citizen
Category: Military
Posted By: Freakinoldguy
Date: 2020-08-08 16:52:47
Canadian

[Freakinoldguy]

This will likely make the retired British Admiral who's the current procurement officer very unhappy. But fuck him feed him fish. There's other ships out there that can meet our requirements and this relook is exactly what we need to be doing.

Sadly as the F35 debacle has shown we have limited funds and a giant fucking national debt so purchasing the most cost effective and efficient platforms we can is the way to go and as good as the new Brit destroyers seem to be, if they can't provide them within those parameters then tough shit we'll buy from someone else.

[xerxes]

I just hope someone at some point does the right thing and actually ok's the purchase. I'm not holding my breath though, especially with the pandemic ballooning the national debt/deficit even higher.

But at some point, a Canadian government is going have to bite the bullet and start spending the money to modernize the CAF.

[rickc]

This article shows why there should be more cooperation between Canada and the U.S. This article states that Canada can build 15 ships for $30 billion. That is $2 billion per ship. It states that the U.S. is getting the ships for $1.3 billion a peice. I read in another article that the U.S. was paying $1.2 billion for the first ship, and $781 million for the next nine ships.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/04/italys- ... ine%20more.

$781 million is a far cry from $2 billion. What if the two governments approached Fincantieri united as a single entity? We both negotiate the cost down to $781 per ship (or lower) as a single order for two shipyards. You get them built to American specs. If you want to "Canadianize" them then you do it on your time and your dime after delivery. You want 15 ships, we want 10. We both want to build them in our own countries and put our own people to work. We both like the design of the ship. Canada gets the ships that they need at an affordable cost, and they put Canadians to work.

I am sorry to say that you guys let your navy fall to shit. That is 100% on you. You do not get to blame the U.S. or Trump for that one. That happened long before anyone ever heard of Trump. That said the U.S. has a vested interest in seeing that Canada maintains the ability to build warships. You went from basically nothing to the worlds 3rd largest navy in WW2. That is a very impressive feat given your population at the time. Hopefully that will not be needed again in the future, but the times are uncertain to say the least. The west may very well depend on Canada duplicating their phenomenal feat of putting together an ass kicking navy in short order all over again. Once an industry is gone, it usually does not come back. I say the two countries should bargain as one. Lets both get the same reduced cost, and both build ships in our own countries together.

Canada's track record of going on its own for defense procurement pretty much blows. Hell the U.S. has no problem buying an Italian designed ship, why would you have a problem teaming up with the U.S. to get a drastic price cut in a much needed naval platform? Time to knock off the petty bullshit and procure much needed assets at affordable prices for both countries. We are stronger together.

[DrCaleb]

rickc rickc:

I am sorry to say that you guys let your navy fall to shit. That is 100% on you.

No we didn't, and no, it is not. We know what we want. It's the politicians who do not implement our wishes who are to blame.

[uwish]

The current fleet of surface ships are still capable. They have had two modernization programs over the decades. They are not state of the art as of today, but they can still hold there own.

And I agree with Caleb, NO government has done the CAF any real service in decades. With all the Covid cash, lets just dump 100B into new equipment all round and be done with this. We are already at a Trillion what does it matter if it is 1.1...