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Title: Ottawa imposes unequal increases in benefits for injured veterans
Category: Military
Posted By: Freakinoldguy
Date: 2016-06-02 00:46:03
Canadian

[Freakinoldguy]

I wonder if there's anybody out there with a modicum of intelligence who still has doubts about how "sunny ways" is going to treat the Veterans.

In a little over 7 months the new PM and his gov't has managed to break pretty much every promise he made to both the Vet's and serving military. But, the best part of this new compassionate Lieberal policy is that his Gov't has now decided to retroactively "DEMOTE" discharged servicemen and women so they can pay them at a lower rate.

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To do that, the government will essentially demote some veterans to a rank below the one they held when they left the military – something that the veterans say is not only unfair but humiliating.

Could someone who voted for Mr. Trudeau please tell me how these new and improved policies are anywhere near fair or equitable?

[N_Fiddledog]

You almost want to wonder how they get away with some of the stuff they do.

[Freakinoldguy]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

You almost want to wonder how they get away with some of the stuff they do.

They do it because they know that we can't really fight back. They hold the money and they hold the power so they aren't afraid to use it to crush any dissent.

But to be honest I don't think it's even legal to retroactively demote someone after they've been discharged. But legal or not this is the same crowd that brought us politically appointed DVA panels and appeal boards, lump sum disability payments, a raped pension fund and cuts to the military that would have made the Quakers proud. So TBH this is nothing new from "sunny ways" and his crowd.

I guess I'll just sit here and wait to be informed by Mr. Compassion and his Gov't that I really wasn't the rank I was when I got discharged because, I'm costing them money that could be better spent on Syrian refugees, drug legalization and family outing to Washington.

[BeaverFever]

Im not saying I agree with it, but it's still an increase to what the Conservatives were providing, is it not?

[Nuggie77]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

I wonder if there's anybody out there with a modicum of intelligence who still has doubts about how "sunny ways" is going to treat the Veterans.

In a little over 7 months the new PM and his gov't has managed to break pretty much every promise he made to both the Vet's and serving military. But, the best part of this new compassionate Lieberal policy is that his Gov't has now decided to retroactively "DEMOTE" discharged servicemen and women so they can pay them at a lower rate.

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To do that, the government will essentially demote some veterans to a rank below the one they held when they left the military – something that the veterans say is not only unfair but humiliating.

Could someone who voted for Mr. Trudeau please tell me how these new and improved policies are anywhere near fair or equitable?

It would really depend on what they mean by "demote" Are they reverting people back to their "substantive" rank from "acting" rank? If so, then this is the same policy as CFSA pension. If someone retired or was discharged with an acting rank then I don't really have a problem with this policy, as I said it would follow the CFSA pension.

[BartSimpson]

How the hell can a civilian authority retroactively demote someone from a military rank? Or is the CF just another civil service job these days?

[Strutz]

Perhaps if the powers-that-be had ever served their country they would have an understanding of the impact of decisions such as this.

[Freakinoldguy]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Im not saying I agree with it, but it's still an increase to what the Conservatives were providing, is it not?

For some yes but, for the ones who are being demoted, definitely not so much and unfortunately it's based on rank which means that if they can demote you they can cut your benefits. Once again it appears to be the standard tactic of divide and conquer. Senior Officers will get one hell of alot more than the ranks so they'll probably think this "adjustment" is a great idea. The fucked up former Master Seaman who's now just become a LS not so much.

If you're going to give an increase in benefits to injured military personnel it has to be the same across the board given that every service member signed on the same dotted line, took the same oath and all put their asses on the line, rank not withstanding.

Just remember this doesn't affect anyone who was injured after 2006 when this same Liberal party brought in the lump sum payout for disability claims. So, they're still screwing a goodly portion of the Afghanistan Vet's despite the promise to change the disability program back to a pension system.

[Freakinoldguy]

Nuggie77 Nuggie77:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

I wonder if there's anybody out there with a modicum of intelligence who still has doubts about how "sunny ways" is going to treat the Veterans.

In a little over 7 months the new PM and his gov't has managed to break pretty much every promise he made to both the Vet's and serving military. But, the best part of this new compassionate Lieberal policy is that his Gov't has now decided to retroactively "DEMOTE" discharged servicemen and women so they can pay them at a lower rate.

$1:

To do that, the government will essentially demote some veterans to a rank below the one they held when they left the military – something that the veterans say is not only unfair but humiliating.

Could someone who voted for Mr. Trudeau please tell me how these new and improved policies are anywhere near fair or equitable?

It would really depend on what they mean by "demote" Are they reverting people back to their "substantive" rank from "acting" rank? If so, then this is the same policy as CFSA pension. If someone retired or was discharged with an acting rank then I don't really have a problem with this policy, as I said it would follow the CFSA pension.

Since there was no mention of "acting ranks" in the article I'm assuming that they've decided that they can arbitrarily demote people just to keep the bottom line intact. This statement is pretty clear about why they're doing this.

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The unequal adjustments are part of a deliberate attempt by the Liberal government to ensure that those who are discharged from the lower ranks after being injured in the line of duty make less money than soldiers who are still actively serving.

To do that, the government will essentially demote some veterans to a rank below the one they held when they left the military – something that the veterans say is not only unfair but humiliating.

The fact that they're basically demoting people who earned their ranks shows that Canada has become no better than your typical Banana Republic when it comes to Government interference in military affairs. Don't be suprised if another pension grab is on the radar for these petty, money grubbing, ingrates.

[Nuggie77]

Since there was no mention of "acting ranks" in the article I'm assuming that they've decided that they can arbitrarily demote people just to keep the bottom line intact. This statement is pretty clear about why they're doing this.

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The unequal adjustments are part of a deliberate attempt by the Liberal government to ensure that those who are discharged from the lower ranks after being injured in the line of duty make less money than soldiers who are still actively serving.

To do that, the government will essentially demote some veterans to a rank below the one they held when they left the military – something that the veterans say is not only unfair but humiliating.

The fact that they're basically demoting people who earned their ranks shows that Canada has become no better than your typical Banana Republic when it comes to Government interference in military affairs. Don't be suprised if another pension grab is on the radar for these petty, money grubbing, ingrates.[/quote]


Well, seeing how this article is from the Globe and Mail, it appears that they have left out some important information, conveniently or otherwise. I'll wait until the actual information comes out before I get all hysterical.
The issue with this retired MCpl is that it is not a rank but an appointment, when you retire(?) as a MCpl whether you like it or not you get reverted to a Cpl.

[Freakinoldguy]

Nuggie77 Nuggie77:

Since there was no mention of "acting ranks" in the article I'm assuming that they've decided that they can arbitrarily demote people just to keep the bottom line intact. This statement is pretty clear about why they're doing this.

$1:

The unequal adjustments are part of a deliberate attempt by the Liberal government to ensure that those who are discharged from the lower ranks after being injured in the line of duty make less money than soldiers who are still actively serving.

To do that, the government will essentially demote some veterans to a rank below the one they held when they left the military – something that the veterans say is not only unfair but humiliating.

The fact that they're basically demoting people who earned their ranks shows that Canada has become no better than your typical Banana Republic when it comes to Government interference in military affairs. Don't be suprised if another pension grab is on the radar for these petty, money grubbing, ingrates.

Well, seeing how this article is from the Globe and Mail, it appears that they have left out some important information, conveniently or otherwise. I'll wait until the actual information comes out before I get all hysterical.
The issue with this retired MCpl is that it is not a rank but an appointment, when you retire(?) as a MCpl whether you like it or not you get reverted to a Cpl.[/quote]

Like what?

One person or rank doesn't a military make so I'm assuming again that it's more than just the MCpl/MS rank that's affected and even if it is just that appointment, since there's no pay increase for being a MCpl they likely wouldn't have been bitching about it and there would have been no need for the Federal Gov't to demote people to save money since a Cpl and MCpl get the exact same pay depending on trade specs and seniority.

http://www.forces.gc.ca/en/caf-communit ... rates.page

[Nuggie77]

Like what?

One person or rank doesn't a military make so I'm assuming again that it's more than just the MCpl/MS rank that's affected and even if it is just that appointment, since there's no pay increase for being a MCpl they likely wouldn't have been bitching about it and there would have been no need for the Federal Gov't to demote people to save money since a Cpl and MCpl get the exact same pay depending on trade specs and seniority.

http://www.forces.gc.ca/en/caf-communit ... rates.page[/quote]


You can have acting ranks up to and including CWO. If the members does not have the leadership course, ILP, ALP or SLP, prior to retirement, they are reverted to their substantive rank. So a Warrant Officer that retires before he/she completes ALP (advanced Learning Program)will be reverted to a Sergeant, etc.

[421_434_226]

Just for clarification while the pay chart appears to indicate no pay raise for MCpl it should be noted that the Cpl 5A pay rates are for Cpls if you do not get "appointed" to MCpl you will never see the Cpl 5B rates of pay, so in around about way there is a pay raise for the appointment of MCpl.