[Newsbot]

Title: Ontario Liberals to unveil sweeping labour reforms
Category: Provincial Politics
Posted By: Coach85
Date: 2017-05-29 08:01:25
Canadian

[Coach85]

https://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark ... esday.html

$15 minimum wage being phased in over the next 18 months.

http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/province-to-r ... -1.3435135

[BeaverFever]

18 months is pretty aggressive for an increase of that amount, but I suppose it's based on the election timeline. I feel like that timeline is a little unreasonable and unrealistic, especially with the other proposed changes. While I support a $15 min wage, a better approach is probably to stretch it out over a little longer period

Everything else I support or am indifferent to.

[Coach85]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

18 months is pretty aggressive for an increase of that amount, but I suppose it's based on the election timeline. I feel like that timeline is a little unreasonable and unrealistic, especially with the other proposed changes. While I support a $15 min wage, a better approach is probably to stretch it out over a little longer period

Everything else I support or am indifferent to.

I agree. It's not a terrible plan, just too fast.

Sadly, it's directly in conjunction with the election.

[BeaverFever]

Well on the bright side people will get to vote on it, they're phasing it in with the biggest increase coming Jan 1 2018, just before the election and the second biggest on Jan 1 2019, just after the election (if they get re-elected).

https://news.ontario.ca/mol/en/2017/05/ ... -laws.html

Puts the opposition in an awkward position: it's one thing for them to campaign on no more wage increases, but since most if the increase has already happened, are they going to campaign on cutting back people's pay?

On the flip side, employers just learned that their min wage is going up 20% in just over 6 months from now, which us pretty shocking even for me. That's going to leave a lot of blood on the floor. I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop, like a revised timeline or new tax credits to offset the losses or something. We'll see I suppose. Never a dull moment!

[BartSimpson]

Coach85 Coach85:

$15 minimum wage Higher unemployment among low wage workers being phased in over the next 18 months.

FTFY.

[Coach85]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Coach85 Coach85:

$15 minimum wage Higher unemployment among low wage workers being phased in over the next 18 months.

FTFY.

The rate of job loss will be minimal. 1% loss with every 10% increase. So by the time this is all done, we have 3% loss.

Looking deeper, this will do little to nothing in the big picture. With 50% of people making min-wage being 15-19 years old, these are students living with mom and dad. Another 20-25% are under the age of 24....again, more students and people starting into the workforce.

25-30% of the workers earning minimum wage will benefit from this as they are adults likely with housing costs and such.

One big question that employers will face is what happens to all those staff that currently worked their way to $15/hour and the new teenager off the street makes the same wage?

[BeaverFever]

I'm not sure that formula is widely accepted or at any rate carved in stone given all the variables that affect employment but the suddenness of the increase is also going to be a key factor in what businesses decide to do, some may feel the need to take drastic action here.

[CDN_PATRIOT]

Coach85 Coach85:

Sadly, it's directly in conjunction with the election.

I'm shocked. No really I am. Seriously. I would have NEVER ever expected this. Ever. At all.



Vote buying is hillarious....


-J.

[BartSimpson]

Coach85 Coach85:

The rate of job loss will be minimal.

Unless it's YOUR job being cut, right?

[housewife]

CDN_PATRIOT CDN_PATRIOT:

Coach85 Coach85:

Sadly, it's directly in conjunction with the election.

I'm shocked. No really I am. Seriously. I would have NEVER ever expected this. Ever. At all.



Vote buying is hillarious....


-J.

I'm shocked too. Too think politics reduced to this it's just shocking

[Coach85]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Coach85 Coach85:

The rate of job loss will be minimal.

Unless it's YOUR job being cut, right?

I don't have that worry, but if you want to argue facts over your ideology, I'd be happy to do so.

[rickc]

Coach85 Coach85:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Coach85 Coach85:

$15 minimum wage Higher unemployment among low wage workers being phased in over the next 18 months.

FTFY.

The rate of job loss will be minimal. 1% loss with every 10% increase. So by the time this is all done, we have 3% loss.

Looking deeper, this will do little to nothing in the big picture. With 50% of people making min-wage being 15-19 years old, these are students living with mom and dad. Another 20-25% are under the age of 24....again, more students and people starting into the workforce.

25-30% of the workers earning minimum wage will benefit from this as they are adults likely with housing costs and such.

One big question that employers will face is what happens to all those staff that currently worked their way to $15/hour and the new teenager off the street makes the same wage?

Your last statement raises a very important point. One of the departments where I work was having a hard time recruiting and keeping people due to their pathetic wages. The ads in the paper never discuss pay. People dress up nice and come in for interviews. When they find out how much the pay is, they never show up for the drug test. So many people were quitting that the company realized they had to do something. They raised the pay for the people on the bottom by two dollars an hour (still to low for the position as an associates degree is required, and the maids who have no education and speak no English make several dollars an hour more). The entry level people were now making the same as the leads. When the leads complained they were told that they had topped out, and if they did not like it they could work elsewhere. Big mistake as several people took them up on their offer and left. My friend has been working mad hours with crazy overtime for months now. She gets called in early every day and on her days off as well. She works late every day as well. It would have been much cheaper to just up the pay of the leads some rather than pay everyone time and a half to do the same job. I told her that everyone in her department should walk in on the same day and give their one week notice as the job takes months to get up to full speed due to all the unnecessary redundent bullshit that the corporate HQ imposes on the field locations.

You raise a good point: don't forget the people that have been with you for the long haul.

[herbie]

$1:

You raise a good point: don't forget the people that have been with you for the long haul.

For every gripe I ever made about employees, the same applies to mangement. They don't listen either. Some moronic business school still has 99% of them trained that the ONLY way to increase returns (and earn bonuses) is thru turnover of senior employees for newer temps or starter wages. That doesn't work anymore, hasn't for the last decade.
Doing some consulting work I also found this utter adherence and outright worship of company "policy" so entrenched it's placed above anything else. GOnna ask the next manager what's most important to a business and if they answer policy instead of profit, I'll tell them to submit their resignation as they are a good Communist Bureacrat not a good Business Manager.

[rickc]

On a side note I have to admit that I was shocked that the minimum wage in Ontario was only $11.40 an hour. I don't know about northern Ontario, but southern Ontario is one of the most expensive places that I have ever been. Everything is expensive, the taxes are outrageous. You need to be earning some serious bank to be living in southern Ontario. Its hard to believe that right wing Alberta pays better. Maybe it goes back to when everything was booming in Alberta and they had to pay more to attract workers. I see that they are set to be $15 an hour by next year as well. So were all these increases passed by the legislature before everything went bust in the patch?