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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 6:09 am
 


Title: Obama to Kill Tomahawk, Hellfire Missile Programs
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Posted By: N_Fiddledog
Date: 2014-03-25 21:23:48


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 6:09 am
 


Broken link.

As far as the title goes, I hope it's a joke.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 6:18 am
 


Hard to say. I haven't seen any corroboration for that story outside of the right-wing echo chamber.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 6:32 am
 


Damn it was working last night. Try this one.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... am/?page=1


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 6:34 am
 


Here...just in case that one dies too.

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President Barack Obama is seeking to abolish two highly successful missile programs that experts say have helped the U.S. Navy maintain military superiority for the past several decades.

The Tomahawk missile program—known as “the world’s most advanced cruise missile”—is set to be cut by $128 million under Obama’s fiscal year 2015 budget proposal and completely eliminated by fiscal year 2016, according to budget documents released by the Navy.

In addition to the monetary cuts to the program, the number of actual Tomahawk missiles acquired by the United States would drop significantly—from 196 last year to just 100 in 2015. The number will then drop to zero in 2016.

The Navy will also be forced to cancel its acquisition of the well-regarded and highly effective Hellfire missiles in 2015, according to Obama’s proposal.

The proposed elimination of these missile programs came as a shock to lawmakers and military experts, who warned ending cutting these missiles would significantly erode America’s ability to deter enemy forces.

“The administration’s proposed budget dramatically under-resources our investments in munitions and leaves the Defense Department with dangerous gaps in key areas, like Tomahawk and Hellfire missiles,” said Rep. Randy Forbes (R., Va.), a member of House Armed Services Committee.

“Increasing our investment in munitions and retaining our technological edge in research and development should be a key component of any serious defense strategy,” he said.

The U.S. Navy relied heavily on them during the 2011 military incursion into Libya, where some 220 Tomahawks were used during the fight.

Nearly 100 of these missiles are used each year on average, meaning that the sharp cuts will cause the Tomahawk stock to be completely depleted by around 2018. This is particularly concerning to defense experts because the Pentagon does not have a replacement missile ready to take the Tomahawk’s place.

“It doesn’t make sense,” said Seth Cropsey, director of the Hudson Institute’s Center for American Seapower. “This really moves the U.S. away from a position of influence and military dominance.”

Cropsey said that if someone were trying to “reduce the U.S. ability to shape events” in the world, “they couldn’t find a better way than depriving the U.S. fleet of Tomahawks. It’s breathtaking.”

The Navy has used various incarnations of the Tomahawk with great success over the past 30 years, employing them during Desert Storm and its battle zones from Iraq and Afghanistan to the Balkans.

While the military as a whole is seeing its budgets reduced and equipment scaled back, the Tomahawk cuts do not appear to be due to a lack of funds.

The administration seems to be taking the millions typically spent on the Tomahawk program and investing it in an experimental missile program that experts say will not be battle ready for at least 10 years.

“It is definitely short-sighted given the value of the Tomahawk as a workhorse,” said Mackenzie Eaglen, a former Pentagon staffer who analyzes military readiness. “The opening days of the U.S. lead-from-behind, ‘no-fly zone’ operation over Libya showcased how important this inventory of weapons is still today.”


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 7:44 am
 


Wow..........it appears the sky is falling.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 7:47 am
 


Common sense would suggest that one shouldn't ditch a weapon system (especially one as important as the Tomahawk) before the replacement is in hand.

That being said, Obama is also the guy that ended production of the Raptor after a ridiculously short production run. Wouldn't put it past 'em.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 7:47 am
 


Next think you know they'll pull the 250 billion in funding for the F-35.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 8:13 am
 


They aren't going out of production they are just ordering less until 2018. Nothing stopping them from cutting another P.O. in 2018 for more.........or at any other point until then.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 8:15 am
 


xerxes xerxes:
Hard to say. I haven't seen any corroboration for that story outside of the right-wing echo chamber.



So when MSNBC broadcasts it, saying it'll save money, be more green, and getting at terrorists using Tomahawks wasn't fair anyway, then you'll be ok with it. :lol:


DrCaleb DrCaleb:
Next think you know they'll pull the 250 billion in funding for the F-35.


We can only hope.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 8:31 am
 


Regina Regina:
They aren't going out of production they are just ordering less until 2018. Nothing stopping them from cutting another P.O. in 2018 for more.........or at any other point until then.


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In addition to the monetary cuts to the program, the number of actual Tomahawk missiles acquired by the United States would drop significantly—from 196 last year to just 100 in 2015. The number will then drop to zero in 2016.


2015 is looking to be the last year of production.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 8:36 am
 


Sounds like more of the "everything's Obama's fault" rhetoric. It should be noted that the President cannot unilaterally set defence budgets.

Here's how the non-echo chamber report it:

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The reduction of Tomahawk missiles reflects the Pentagon's decision to invest more in next-generation land attack weapons, Lt. Caroline Hutcheson, a Navy spokesman at the Pentagon, told Defense News. She also noted that the military's supply of Block IV Tactical Tomahawks currently exceeds combat requirements

...The most likely replacement for the two missile programs is Lockheed Martin's Long Range Anti-Ship Missile (LRASM), which will receive a lion's share of the funding from the Tomahawk program, the Free Beacon reports.


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/death-of ... z2x5CklyCj


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 8:51 am
 


Based on previous use they would have enough to last till 2018. Since they have significantly reduced their deployment in the Mid-East, it would also mean less usage and larger inventory levels. Maybe it's just a ploy to get the military to reshape their spend....who knows.
I think this is just a political jab and nothing more. Hellfire are used by about 20 other countries and the Tomahawk is old technology and was facing surface to air threats. Wiki shows one shot down in Serbia years ago. It's replacement is to be the Cruise Missile XR.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 9:30 am
 


Regina Regina:
It's replacement is to be the Cruise Missile XR.


They gonna make an upgraded 1200 version, or just the normal 883 ?


:wink: :wink: :wink:


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 10:09 am
 


DrCaleb DrCaleb:
Next think you know they'll pull the 250 billion in funding for the F-35.

Perhaps, but the two situations aren't really comparable. The Hellfire and the Tomahawk mature, extremely successful programs, not an overbudget R&D exercise.

But this is the same administration that wants to ditch the A-10 Warthog, so I'm not surprised.


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