[Newsbot]

Title: NHLPA gives OK to dissolve union
Category: Sports
Posted By: Hyack
Date: 2012-12-21 15:35:32
Canadian

[martin14]

Fuck the NHL, there has to be a better way of doing this.

[Lemmy]

I've said it before. The only longterm solution is having the players also be the owners. Alll pro-sports will someday get rid of their magnates. They serve no useful purpose when the players have, collectively, more than enough financial resources to replace the owners.

[Jonny_C]

Cue the violins.

[DanSC]

Lemmy Lemmy:

I've said it before. The only longterm solution is having the players also be the owners. Alll pro-sports will someday get rid of their magnates. They serve no useful purpose when the players have, collectively, more than enough financial resources to replace the owners.

Interesting idea, but what happens when the players retire? Do they keep their ownership shares, or must they cash out if they're not on a roster?

[Unsound]

DanSC DanSC:

Lemmy Lemmy:

I've said it before. The only longterm solution is having the players also be the owners. Alll pro-sports will someday get rid of their magnates. They serve no useful purpose when the players have, collectively, more than enough financial resources to replace the owners.

Interesting idea, but what happens when the players retire? Do they keep their ownership shares, or must they cash out if they're not on a roster?

And how do they work trades? Can an owner play for a different team than the one he owns?

[kilroy]

Good point, it would have to be ownership through blind trusts. The leagues profitability over individual teams, and that way players influence could be managed.

[Lemmy]

I don't know exactly how things would shake down. It could be that the teams are owned by the NHLPA and players (current and retired) share revenues through some sort of stock system. The day to day management of each team could be done by independent teams of managers in some competition with one another based on performance bonuses. It wouldn't be any more collusive than the NFL's or Major League Baseball's individual private owners have proven to be over those leagues' histories.

[peck420]

Lemmy Lemmy:

I don't know exactly how things would shake down. It could be that the teams are owned by the NHLPA and players (current and retired) share revenues through some sort of stock system. The day to day management of each team could be done by independent teams of managers in some competition with one another based on performance bonuses. It wouldn't be any more collusive than the NFL's or Major League Baseball's individual private owners have proven to be over those leagues' histories.

And, you have just created the reverse of the current situation, thereby solving nothing.

It would take competent managers a second or two to figure out that the league collapses without them. A couple more to organize into collective bargaining.

The only solution is impossible, as it would require fundamental changes to human nature. Removal of greed.

[Freakinoldguy]

Disolve the fucking NHL.

I don't know about anyone else but I'm sick of the whinning, bitching and moaning from both sides about who's wrong and why. These people are killing the golden goose but will expect us to take them back with open arms when their ego fueled rants and antics are finally resolved.

Things that aren't gonna happen in my house anytime soon. I'll watch Jr. the AHL, College and if worse comes to worse womens hockey before I'll watch another NHL game.

[PJB]

At this point in time who really gives a shit.

[Lemmy]

peck420 peck420:

And, you have just created the reverse of the current situation, thereby solving nothing.

It would take competent managers a second or two to figure out that the league collapses without them. A couple more to organize into collective bargaining.

The only solution is impossible, as it would require fundamental changes to human nature. Removal of greed.

You presume that a business manager is as rare a talent as an NHL player, which is incorrect.

[jambo101]

I was more than a little pissed off the first time a season was lost but eventually i came back as a fan. Now 7 years later another season lost.
While i can see that the players are about to get screwed even further by the owners and i can understand why they are at odds with the owners i've now totally lost interest in the NHL product and have switched to other sports for entertainment..
Unfortunate for the hockey fan who has no say in these negotiations and are expected to obediently march back to the arenas en masse when this strike is over.
Mr Bettman you and the owners have well and truly fucked it up,As a fan i wont be returning.

[Freakinoldguy]

The players may be the ones who'll unlitmately get screwed but it isn't "all" the owners that are the problem.

It's Buttman and his cadre of owners from less than profitable teams that are causing the real problems. The owners of profitable teams who have to transfer money to the less than profitable teams that Buttman put in markets that'd rather watch Rasslin than hockey are getting pissed about it and don't want to continue giving their money away.

Given those facts is it any wonder that there'll be no resolution to the lockout. Buttman can't screw his legacy owners, yet he can't keep pissing off the profitable ones either so his solution is to put the cost of keeping "all" the owners happy on the backs of the players.

Get rid of Buttman and about 8 NHL franchises and you'll have a profitable league that the revenue can be shared from. But hey, the players have a part to play in this to.

They don't want the league to shrink because they'd lose jobs so they want the non profitable teams to keep going which causes the problems I mentioned in the second paragraph to continue.

Solution. Disolve the league send Buttman back to Daniel Stern in the NBA and start all over again with teams in actual hockey markets. So, until that hapapens I'll watch other sports for my entertainment.

Cmon Darts.

[kilroy]

Have you noticed that there are just the right number of spectator seats at the bowling alley.