[Newsbot]

Title: Low troop levels behind deadly attack
Category: Military
Posted By: Hyack
Date: 2008-09-04 11:41:59
Canadian

[PENATRATOR]

It's not like the Taliban are wewaring WWII german field grey uniforms and are easily distinguishable from a local villager, the guy dressed in his man jammies with a little kid next to him who smiles and waves at you puts an RPG up to his shoulder and shoots you in the back as you turn away

[llama66]

and thats the bitch of it, you can't tell friend from foe, and shit will go sideways. the yanks should help shore up some of the manpower issues, but how much is hard to say.

[Streaker]

This is an American war - they should pull their own weight in Afghanistan. Let them fight it instead of us subsidising their destruction of Iraq.

[PENATRATOR]

Removing from power a government who supports people willing to take their own lives in order to kill anybody from the west by allowing them to use Afghanistan as a training ground does not constitute an American war, it is being a responsible nation on the world stage to keep this gov and it's supporters from power, it's messy and it's a dirty job, but that's why we have soldiers, to do the neccessary dirty work and to keep the fight over there not on the streets of Canada. So keep your misguided low opinions of our service personel coming Streak, you live in a place where that's your right.

[commanderkai]

PENATRATOR PENATRATOR:

It's not like the Taliban are wewaring WWII german field grey uniforms and are easily distinguishable from a local villager, the guy dressed in his man jammies with a little kid next to him who smiles and waves at you puts an RPG up to his shoulder and shoots you in the back as you turn away

*claps* Totally agreed. This isn't a conventional army here. The issue is that they blend in so well with the civilian population. Even more so, the civilian population is just as well armed as the Taliban themselves. I mean, AK-47s are probably easier to purchase and cheaper too than a DVD player or an IPod.

Our soldiers have a lot more restrictions than the enemy, which is a good thing. However, it does limit their fighting ability, while our enemy has no restrictions on combat. They'll use any tactic, including hiding amongst civilian populations to try to defeat us

I don't think manpower will help that much. Sure it might squeeze the Taliban more, but in the end they'll still be hiding in areas that we control.

[llama66]

this truly is an Ideological war.

[commanderkai]

Streaker Streaker:

This is an American war - they should pull their own weight in Afghanistan. Let them fight it instead of us subsidising their destruction of Iraq.

Wrong. This is a NATO war. And Canada is a part of NATO. NATO is an alliance that Canada joined willingly, and thus Canada must take part in NATO operations as per the alliance agreement. Plus, where does anybody get that the Americans aren't actively engaged in Afghanistan? Seriously is the West THAT dependent on the Americans to fight in NATO that we need to cry that they aren't leading in every single operation taken place?

[Streaker]

PENATRATOR PENATRATOR:

Removing from power a government who supports people willing to take their own lives in order to kill anybody from the west by allowing them to use Afghanistan as a training ground does not constitute an American war, it is being a responsible nation on the world stage to keep this gov and it's supporters from power, it's messy and it's a dirty job, but that's why we have soldiers, to do the neccessary dirty work and to keep the fight over there not on the streets of Canada. So keep your misguided low opinions of our service personel coming Streak, you live in a place where that's your right.

Invading their homes and killing their kids pretty much assures us that someday they will bring their fight here.

Don't delude yourself into believing that what you're doing in A-stan is making us any safer back home in Canada.

[Streaker]

commanderkai commanderkai:

Streaker Streaker:

This is an American war - they should pull their own weight in Afghanistan. Let them fight it instead of us subsidising their destruction of Iraq.

Wrong. This is a NATO war. And Canada is a part of NATO. NATO is an alliance that Canada joined willingly, and thus Canada must take part in NATO operations as per the alliance agreement. Plus, where does anybody get that the Americans aren't actively engaged in Afghanistan? Seriously is the West THAT dependent on the Americans to fight in NATO that we need to cry that they aren't leading in every single operation taken place?

Carefully read the North Atlantic Treaty.

Canada was under no obligation to send her army to Afghanistan.

[ridenrain]

NATO is made of more countries than just Canada and the US. Some of our allies are helping but others are dogging it. It's time to stop being nice with NATO and time to get results.

[PENATRATOR]

Oh really, has there been any major Terrorist attcks on North American interests since we went there? None that I am aware of, though maybe I'm mistaken, I am sure you have a list though.

As for killing kids Streaker, get off the subject, you dwell on something and push push push, it happened, it is very unfortunate, again I will mention that UNLIKE your Taliban heros, we do not actively attempt to kill non combatants.

Have you ever posted on here condeming the Taliban over their tactics? Seriously have you?

[llama66]

Canada was obliged, mutual protection clauses were enacted, Canada HAD to respond.

[PENATRATOR]

Streaker Streaker:

PENATRATOR PENATRATOR:

Removing from power a government who supports people willing to take their own lives in order to kill anybody from the west by allowing them to use Afghanistan as a training ground does not constitute an American war, it is being a responsible nation on the world stage to keep this gov and it's supporters from power, it's messy and it's a dirty job, but that's why we have soldiers, to do the neccessary dirty work and to keep the fight over there not on the streets of Canada. So keep your misguided low opinions of our service personel coming Streak, you live in a place where that's your right.

Invading their homes and killing their kids pretty much assures us that someday they will bring their fight here.

And if they do, you'll be the first one welcoming them in. Oh wait the Kahdr familly is already here

[commanderkai]

Streaker Streaker:

commanderkai commanderkai:

Streaker Streaker:

This is an American war - they should pull their own weight in Afghanistan. Let them fight it instead of us subsidising their destruction of Iraq.

Wrong. This is a NATO war. And Canada is a part of NATO. NATO is an alliance that Canada joined willingly, and thus Canada must take part in NATO operations as per the alliance agreement. Plus, where does anybody get that the Americans aren't actively engaged in Afghanistan? Seriously is the West THAT dependent on the Americans to fight in NATO that we need to cry that they aren't leading in every single operation taken place?

Carefully read the North Atlantic Treaty.

Canada was under no obligation to send her army to Afghanistan.

Yes we were. Just to SHOW you the treaty

http://www.nato.int/docu/basictxt/treaty.htm

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Article 5

The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security .

Let's see...the United States was attacked. The United States, in coordination of all the other alliance members, INCLUDING CANADA, took part in an operation using armed force in which the United States, as well as NATO itself deemed necessary. That attack thus led to assisting in the securing of the North Atlantic by attacking a stronghold of terrorist training and recruitment from operating at peak efficiency at it would have before the invasion.