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Title: Ignatieff cracks whip on gun registry, promises to reform but not scrap it
Category: Political
Posted By: Hyack
Date: 2010-04-19 16:58:45
Canadian

[uwish]

yeah right, you mean continue with confiscation and descrimination.

[TuavDan]

Soooo what he's saying is "waste more money!"

[OnTheIce]

And when his own MP's turn their back on him and vote on their own, what next for Iffy?

[uwish]

some times I think iggy is a gift form heaven for the CPC. Even more so than Dion. He is just a complete and utter screw up.

[wildrosegirl]

$1:

Ignatieff's proposed changes would permanently eliminate fees for new gun licences, renewals and upgrades...

Which never should have been there in the first place. Yay! Iggy got his head out of his ass and figured that out. One small step in the right direction.

$1:

...and allow police to treat first-time failures to register firearms as a "simple, non-criminal ticketing offence," rather than a criminal offence.

Kiss my ass. There never should have been that outrageous fee in the first place, which is what kept most people from registering the first time. He can stick his tickets up his ass. Should fill up some of the space where his head was.

[ASLplease]

TuavDan TuavDan:

Soooo what he's saying is "waste more money!"

thats the fiscal translation to most Liberal policies

[uwish]

I like!

[kenmore]

The torys really need to get a grip... the tory vote is also a whip vote. And calling Canadian police cults is a little out there.. The torys never brought this bill forward, it was an independent member... but hey gets a little press over the detainee scandle... thats the real reason harper turfed Guergis.. take the heat off

[PluggyRug]

kenmore kenmore:

The torys really need to get a grip... the tory vote is also a whip vote. And calling Canadian police cults is a little out there.. The torys never brought this bill forward, it was an independent member... but hey gets a little press over the detainee scandle... thats the real reason harper turfed Guergis.. take the heat off

Correlating, the gun registry, Guergis and detainees doth not a dragon make.

[uwish]

ahh I was wondering when kenny would show up! First thing out of his mouth is conservative bashing as usual.

[uwish]

Attention: Assignment Editor, News Editor, Sports Editor, Government/Political Affairs Editor

ON, ONTARIO FEDERATION OF ANGLERS AND HUNTERS--(Marketwire - June 2, 2010) - Honourable Michael Ignatieff, M.P.
Leader of the Official Opposition
House of Commons
Ottawa, Ontario
K1A 0A6


Dear Mr. Ignatieff:


On behalf of the Ontario Federation of Anglers and Hunters (O.F.A.H.), the largest nonprofit conservation-based organization in Ontario, our 100,000 members, subscribers and supporters, and our 670 member clubs across the province, we are writing to express our profound disappointment over the motion submitted by Liberal M.P. Mark Holland yesterday at the Standing Committee on Public Safety and National Security.


Despite your recent public pronouncements about a Liberal "compromise," Mr. Holland's actions on behalf of the Liberal party clearly demonstrate that your understanding of the word differs greatly from that which is commonly understood.
Mr. Holland's attempt to completely derail the bill at Committee clearly demonstrates a lack of conviction in your own words and on the part of the Liberal party, and sends a clear message to the millions of anglers, hunters, recreational sport shooters, farmers and First Nations across Canada who support Bill C-391.


The fact that the Liberal party had to whip the vote when Bill C-68 was passed to ensure that party members stayed in line, and will again whip the vote on C-391, a private member's bill no less, is a clear indication that despite all of the rhetoric, that unanimity does not exist within the Liberal caucus. Instead of recognizing the rights of individual members to vote their conscience, and more importantly, their right to vote in the best interests of their constituents, they are forced to toe the party line and continue to support a badly flawed, horrifically expensive and highly divisive long gun registry that has not saved lives, and has not enhanced the public safety. This win at all costs/scorched earth policy ignores all of the obvious signs that the program has been a dismal failure, and demonstrates conclusively that common sense and fiscal responsibility have been sacrificed at the altar of philosophical adherence.


There is no empirical evidence to demonstrate that the long gun registry has fulfilled its mandate, while a plethora of factual evidence exists to support the contention that it has failed. The continued support of the Liberal party for this albatross is not only disappointing, but flies in the face of public opinion and fact.



If Mr. Holland's actions are indicative of what you call "compromise," the eight Liberal members who supported Bill C-391 on Second Reading have themselves been "compromised" by being forced to support a rigid and highly unpopular stance in many areas of the country, with the exception of downtown Toronto and a few other major urban centres.



Other jurisdictions, notably Baltimore, New York, Virginia, and New Jersey, have found that the creation of a "prohibited offenders" registry, much like the sex offender registry, which targets those who are prohibited from possessing firearms by virtue of past offences, or those most likely to offend, has made a significant difference. If you truly believe in "compromise," stop the blatant attempts to derail Bill C-391, and allow your members a free vote on Third Reading.



The gun registry did not save the victims at Dawson College where all of the firearms used were registered. It did not save the lives of four RCMP officers at Mayerthorpe where a prohibited offender used three unregistered firearms and one borrowed registered firearm to kill. Nor will it save other officers who place their faith in the system.



It is time to look for other answers -- acknowledging the failings of the long gun registry and working to achieve a system, which targets the offenders and not the legal, law-abiding firearm owners in this country is.



If you have the courage of your conviction, and meant what you said when you used the word "compromise," withdraw the motion at Committee, allow a free vote, and work with the government in support of the creation of a registry that targets the 400,000 high-risk individuals entered in CPIC, including the 254,949 who are prohibited from possessing firearms and the 36,000 with restraining orders against them, something that has been proven elsewhere to have a significant impact on public safety.


Bill C-391 is a simple and straightforward piece of legislation that does one thing, and one thing only. It does not touch licencing, which we strongly support. It does not impact on mandatory background checks, which are not currently done for every application, but should be. It does not affect mandatory registration of restricted and prohibited firearms. It does not change the requirement for mandatory firearms safety courses, and does not change the need for safe storage or transportation. All it does is scrap a program that has clearly and factually been proven to be an abject failure.



Yours in Conservation,
Greg Farrant
Manager, Government Relations
& Communications

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Ah yes, yet another whipped vote. Why exactly do we elect MPs again??

[bootlegga]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Ah yes, yet another whipped vote. Why exactly do we elect MPs again??

Because that's the system we got saddled with when we got our independence.

[bootlegga]

uwish uwish:

yeah right, you mean continue with confiscation and descrimination.

How is getting people to register a potentially dangerous item discrimination? Your car is registered is it not? Do you feel you were discriminated against when they asked for your $70?

If you don't want to feel 'discriminated' against, sell your gun(s). Problem solved!