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Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:
Isn't that special.
. Obama won't call the Armenian Genocide a Genocide for fear of hurting Turkey's feeling but his FBI Director has no problem calling out the Poles and Hungarians for their part in the Holocaust.
What a gong show. Apparently you can't offend Muslim sensibilities but, you can offend Europeans with impunity.
This part is at least true. Obama has made a point to piss off every traditional ally of the US.
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Unfortunately, the truth is that those countries were willing accomplices in the Holocaust just like they were in the myriad of Pogroms that preceded it and the semantics of what to call it is nothing more than a strawman.
Are you speaking about the government or the people ?
Certainly there were individual people who participated in those events,
but the Polish government in 1939 - 1945 ?
ummm, they didn't have one.
Now Hungary was a more willing participant, but the real round up of Jews didn't happen
until the Germans occupied the country in 1944.
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If these countries want the world to stop naming and shaming them they should be apologizing profusely to every Jew in the world and attempting to stop this latest round of anti-Semitism that's sweeping Europe under the tutelage of that continents latest immigrants.
Can you remind me how many boatloads of Jews found shelter on Canadian shores ?
Or the UK ?
Switzerland, Portugal, China, Russia, I could keep going for a long time.
As far as the present goes, well, the Jews will be thrown under the bus.. again.
You're absolutely correct that it was not the Polish Gov't that assisted the Nazi's but, it was a specific segment of the population that, had no problem assisting in the final solution even if they didn't know specifically what that solution was.
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Polish peasants and villagers played an instrumental role in rounding up and denouncing Jews during the Holocaust, often taking initiative without any encouragement from the Germans, according to a soon-to-be-published study by Holocaust historian Jan Grabowski.
In “Hunt for the Jews: Betrayal and Murder in German-Occupied Poland,” Grabowski argues that Poles living in the countryside served as enthusiastic accomplices to the Nazis and that many Jews who had managed to survive the ghettos and escape transports to the death camps eventually lost their lives only because they were turned in by their Polish neighbors
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jew ... m-1.503742So if this gentleman's research is anywhere near accurate the participation by that segment of Poles was alot larger than previously admitted.
But, nobody's claiming that "all" the Poles or Hungarians participated in the holocaust because that wouldn't be accurate although, there were enough that did to unfortunately leave a stink.
It's pretty apparent that there are two completely different sets of criteria at play here. In Poland you had some of the uneducated peasants and villagers participating in the holocaust while, in Hungary you had the Nazi loving Horthy Gov't and it's adherents happily participating in it.
Here's an interesting read if you're up to it that shows what I was talking about and sadly it's not just a bunch of illiterate peasants who were and are the anti-Semites.
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Throughout its long and troubled history, Poland has been the victim of repeated Austrian, German, Russian, Prussian, Tartar and even Swedish aggression. But now that the culpability of Polish villagers in the Jedwabne pogrom has been established, many Poles seem unwilling to admit that they could be anything other than victims, despite the events of almost sixty years ago.
Most interesting, perhaps, has been the Polish Catholic Church's reaction to the "discovery" that it was Polish citizens, not the German SS, that massacred 1600 Polish Jews in a small northeastern village during World War II. Far from the sympathetic or compassionate response one might expect from the Catholic hierarchy, the Church's response has been indifferent at best.
http://www.ce-review.org/01/14/orlet14.htmlShould the head of the FBI have made his statements? Maybe not in those terms and especially since it's the current administrations policy not to insult Islam which means another Democratic Party double standard. But, I don't think it was his intention to brand all Polish or Hungarian people as Nazi loving, final solution seeking Anti-Semites because, everyone knows that wouldn't be anywhere near an accurate description.
By the same token though, not accepting the fact that there were people who willingly participated in the holocaust while applauding the ones who risked life or limb to save the Jews would be doing a disservice to history.
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