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Title: How to Kill China�s �Carrier-Killer� Missile: Jam, Spoof and Shoot | Danger Room | WIRED
Category: Military
Posted By: N_Fiddledog
Date: 2014-05-08 18:42:09

[N_Fiddledog]

"The most alarming weapon China is developing to deny the U.S. Navy access to the East and South China seas is the antiship ballistic missile�the first such missile able to change course to hit a moving aircraft carrier. Mounted on a mobile launch vehicle, an ASBM would rise in two stages, reach space and then use fins to maneuver at hypersonic speeds on its way back down. The warhead then glides along a level path to permit synthetic aperture radar, which processes multiple radar pulses to form a single picture to target the carrier. Finally, the warhead�s infrared seeker locates a carrier�s signature and closes in for the kill."

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technol ... ic-missile

[Jabberwalker]

Popular Mechanics ...


Do they sell these in kit form in the back pages?

[Hyack]

And as the missile "glides" along it's level path it should be an excellent target for every anti missile ship within hundreds of miles...

[N_Fiddledog]

Well, it is traveling at hypersonic speed.

$1:

And shooting down this new missile isn’t a guaranteed proposition. “When do you have to engage it? On the way up? Mid-course? Terminal?” Greenert said.

His answer: all of the above. “We call it links of a chain,” Greenert said. “We want to break as many links as possible.” Navy weapons have to be ready to disable the DF-21D — either through jamming it or shooting it — during “all” phases of its trajectory.

[Jabberwalker]

Won't these stop those as well?

[Regina]

After the US knocked out all their satellites, how would the Chinese know they were there in the first place?

[QBall]

$1:

“You want to spoof them, preclude detection, jam them, shoot them down if possible, get them to termination, confuse it,” Greenert said. “The concept is end-to-end, and the capabilities therein [are] what we’re pursuing”

In other words: Do exactly what we do now for every other anti-ship missile out there. Let's also keep in mind these are built by the Chinese. They aren't exactly known for building high quality...well...anything.

[bootlegga]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

"The most alarming weapon China is developing to deny the U.S. Navy access to the East and South China seas is the antiship ballistic missile�the first such missile able to change course to hit a moving aircraft carrier. Mounted on a mobile launch vehicle, an ASBM would rise in two stages, reach space and then use fins to maneuver at hypersonic speeds on its way back down. The warhead then glides along a level path to permit synthetic aperture radar, which processes multiple radar pulses to form a single picture to target the carrier. Finally, the warhead�s infrared seeker locates a carrier�s signature and closes in for the kill."

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technol ... ic-missile

Yeah and I remember the fear about 'vaunted' Silkworm missiles in the Gulf War. When the Iraqis actually used them, the Aegis ships plucked them out of the air with ease.

It sounds formidable, but I doubt it will be as dangerous as predicted.

Unless they put on nuke on these, they would need to fire dozens to guarantee a hit on carrier, which don't stay motionless. Even a carrier can move pretty far in 5 minutes when sailing at at 30 knots.

[Goober911]

China want to have layers of protection for the US Navy, in particular Carriers. Each layer broken raises the cost of doing so. I think the term is area denial.
In when the S 7nth Fleet sailed the Straights of Taiwan, this was extremely humiliating for China.
Many think all those missiles on the Chinese side of the Straight are for Taiwan. They are there to deny access.

And in my opinion War is coming between China and the US. Within the next 5 to 10 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Taiwan_Strait_Crisis

On March 8, 1996, also a presidential election year in the U.S., the U.S. government under President Clinton announced that it was deploying the Independence carrier battle group (CVBG), already stationed in the western Pacific, to international waters near Taiwan. On the following day, the PRC announced live-fire exercises to be conducted near Penghu from March 12–20. On March 11, the U.S. dispatched Carrier Group Seven, centered around Nimitz, which steamed at high speed from the Persian Gulf. Tensions rose further on March 15 when Beijing announced a simulated amphibious assault planned for March 18–25.

Sending two carrier battle groups showed not only a symbolic gesture towards the ROC, but a readiness to fight on the part of the U.S. The ROC government and Democratic Progressive Party welcomed America's support, but staunch unificationist presidential candidate Lin Yang-kang and the PRC decried "foreign intervention."

Aware of U.S. Navy carrier battle groups' credible threat to the PLA Navy, the PRC decided to accelerate its military build up. Soon the People's Republic ordered Sovremenny class destroyers from Russia, a Cold-War era class designed to counter U.S. Navy carrier groups, allegedly in mid-December 1996 during the visit to Moscow by Chinese Premier Li Peng. The PRC subsequently ordered modern attack submarines (Kilo Class) and warplanes (76 Su-30MKK and 24 Su-30MK2) to counter the U.S. Navy's carrier battle groups.

[Jabberwalker]

And in my opinion War is coming between China and the US. Within the next 5 to 10 years.

They need each other for the smooth functioning of their respective economies.

[Goober911]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

And in my opinion War is coming between China and the US. Within the next 5 to 10 years.

They need each other for the smooth functioning of their respective economies.

Look to the South China Seas. How they are acting with Vietnam/Phillipines, mistakes lead to war.
China is in the midst of changing from an export driven to consumer driven economy.

[Jabberwalker]

The Vietnamese will kick their asses just like they've done, previously. The Japanese are re-arming. The Indians have built a real and potent navy. Everyone is on alert because of their goofy PRK "ally". The Chinese are stirring up a hornet's nest. The Americans need to show the flag but perhaps not do the fighting, this time.

[Goober911]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

The Vietnamese will kick their asses just like they've done, previously. The Japanese are re-arming. The Indians have built a real and potent navy. Everyone is on alert because of their goofy PRK "ally". The Chinese are stirring up a hornet's nest. The Americans need to show the flag but perhaps not do the fighting, this time.

The Chinese Navy will blow the Vietnamese out of the water. This is not like 1979 when China got their butts kicked back across the border.

http://content.time.com/time/world/arti ... 25,00.html

Today is much different. India has moved ships to their Chinese flank yes but the PRC has more.

Then India has numerous Chinese units on their or close to the Indian border, in particular the areas that China states are theirs. Building roads/rail for the quick movement of troops to the disputed areas. India is behind the 8 ball, far behind.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ac ... Navy_ships

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ac ... Navy_ships

[bootlegga]

Goober911 Goober911:

China want to have layers of protection for the US Navy, in particular Carriers. Each layer broken raises the cost of doing so. I think the term is area denial.
In when the S 7nth Fleet sailed the Straights of Taiwan, this was extremely humiliating for China.
Many think all those missiles on the Chinese side of the Straight are for Taiwan. They are there to deny access.

And in my opinion War is coming between China and the US. Within the next 5 to 10 years.

It may work temporarily for sea denial, but the US lead in tech makes me think it wouldn't last long. In the event of a real conflict between the two, all the US needs to do is place some subs nearby and smash PLA missile bases with Tomahawks. In a worst case, they might need to use air strikes.

I doubt China would go to war with the US unless; a) the US reneged on their debt to China or, b) the US economy declined enough that China wasn't dependent on them for their own economic well-being or, c) the US recognized Taiwan.