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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 10:07 pm
 


Title: Hostages held by 'Islamists' in Sydney cafe siege: live
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Posted By: N_Fiddledog
Date: 2014-12-14 20:57:38


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 10:27 pm
 


Absolutely no link between this and the Religion of Peace


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 10:30 pm
 


Nah none... "workplace violence again", I guess...or maybe it's the Mormons


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A chilling hand gesture made by one of the hostages being held at the Lindt Chocolate Café in Sydney's Martin Place has been captured on film. As a terrorist forced dozens of people, both staff and customers, inside the café to place their hands on the windows, one woman appeared to run her thumb across her throat. Channel Nine has reported that the hostages may have been directed to make the gesture by the gunman. Not long after taking the café under siege at about 9.45am, the terrorists forced crying women to hold a black Islamic flag up to the window with the words 'there is no God but Allah' and 'Mohammed is the messenger of God' written in white writing.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 10:38 pm
 


Reports of bomb threats outside of the area; Apparently there is only one hostage taker confirmed. They need to quell this as soon as possible. Any weakness or perceived gain by the extremist could emboldened others.

The article seems to make some fuss about whether the black flag is the same or different. Not sure how that is relevant.

The significance of the black flag is from a supposed revelation by Mohammed pertaining to the end times. During the "final battle" an army from khorasan (Afghanistan), carrying black banners is said to accompany the "mahdi" (think chosen one) to defeat the western armies and prepare the way for the second coming of Jesus. (Yes same Jesus)

Google "black flags of khorasan" for reference.

Whether they have the same writing or not isn't really relevant. The motives are the same.
http://time.com/3430960/obama-isis-khorasan-terrorism/


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 8:16 am
 


CBC has the comments section shut off for this story. Apparently even they realize the kind of rancid bullshit the pro-terrorist shitbirds that normally troll their comments areas want to say on this incident would be too sickening to put up with.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 8:19 am
 


This is the beginning for smaller Terrorist attacks like this.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 8:43 am
 


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Australian police stormed a downtown Sydney café early Tuesday where an armed man had taken hostages and forced them to display an Islamic flag, igniting fears of a jihadist attack.

Shots were heard as police moved. Shortly after, paramedics could be seen rushing stretchers toward the Lindt chocolate café. Two people were removed on the stretchers.

Australian media outlets, some citing police sources, have identified the armed man as an Iranian named Man Haron Monis, 50. He is reported to be known for sending offensive letters to the families of dead Australian soldiers. CBC News has not independently confirmed the armed man's identity.

The Sydney Morning Herald reports that Monis was charged last year with being an accessory to the murder of his ex-wife, and that he also faces 50 charges of indecent assault and sexual assault.


The Shahada may have been a bit of a diversion.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 8:44 am
 


http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/police-sto ... -1.2873068

Police storm Sydney café to end hostage-taking


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 8:54 am
 


2 dead, 5 injured.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 8:59 am
 


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Muslim cleric Man Haron Monis


But we'll still hear from the a-holes that this is an 'isolated incident' that 'has nothing to do with islam.'

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Before this siege was even over the Sydney Herald was running a story about how the poor moslems were afraid of a 'backlash' after this.

How DARE they pose as the victims!!! [bash]

And another thing:

This guy was armed? How's that possible? Didn't he know that Sydney is a Gun Free Zone?

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Seems to me that if the Aussies are going to have a few hundred thousand gun-toting, freedom-hating vermin in their midst then they need to revisit John Howard's ill-conceived gun ban because the goddam moslems already did.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 9:02 am
 


andyt andyt:

The Shahada may have been a bit of a diversion.



Yeah he was asking for an ISIS flag, guess he was too stupid to bring one with him.

He was also writing nice letters to the families of dead Aussie soldiers,
calling them murderers, calling them pigs and dirty animals.

A real Muslim.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 9:03 am
 


And now for something completely relevant:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/dgreen ... -our-time/

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Abdallah Bulgasem Zehaf-Bibeau, the crackhead turned Jihadist spawned by the mating of a Canadian immigration official and a Libyan Muslim Jihadist, just wanted peace.

He told a co-worker, “There can’t be world peace until there’s only Muslims.” Then he tried to usher in peace, the Islamic way, by opening fire near the Canadian parliament.

Meanwhile in Israel a reporter interviewing Arab Muslim settlers in Jerusalem found that they too wanted peace. On their terms.

“Yes we want peace,” one of them said, “but peace means no Jews.”

When negotiating peace with other cultures it’s a good idea to make sure that the words you are using mean the same thing. Most Muslims and Westerners want peace. But to Westerners peace means co-existence. To Muslims, peace means the end of your existence.

Ideas carry heavy cultural baggage. Peace in the West summons up images of Armistice Day, of the Christmas Truce of WW1 in which French, German and English soldiers could share meals and play soccer together. It carries with it the subversive idea that both sides realize the war isn’t worth fighting.

Such a subversive idea has no place in Islam. The Jihad is at the heart of Islam. To question the holy war is to also question the faith. When war is religion then peace through setting aside war is heresy.

The Western idea of peace is a wholly alien one to Islam. In Islam, peace does not come from men transcending their differences, but from destroying men who think and live differently. That is the function of the religious police of our allied “moderate Muslim” countries who seek out the practice of other religions and other ways of living in places like Saudi Arabia and suppress their practitioners.

Islamic peace does not come from diversity, from accepting the existence of other nations, religions and peoples, but from unity through Islam and eliminating as many differences as possible. If Islam is the source of peace, then all that which is “not Islam” is the cause of war.

Kill the Jews. Kill the Christians. Then there will be peace.

The Islamic idea of peace was aptly expressed by Zehaf-Bibeau and our anonymous Jerusalem Jihadist. It is not based on a recognition of the humanity of one’s fellow man, but on a rejection of their humanity.

As Mohammed curtly put it in missives to the leaders of non-Muslim countries in the region, “Aslim, Taslam.” Convert to Islam and you’ll have peace. The same message has been dispatched by Muslim leaders today to popes and presidents. It’s a message of peace on the only terms that Islam allows.

Islam is the religion of peace. For there to be peace, Islam must be supreme. Within the Islamic worldview, conflict is caused by the existence of dissent. The only way to achieve peace is by forcing the submission of every human being to the correct strain of Islam. “Moderates” may agree to let Jews and Christians live as inferior second-class citizens if they submit to Muslims. “Extremists” will skip straight to raping and beheading them. And once that ugly business is done, there will be peace.

Or there will be peace once the “moderates” and “extremists” have finished killing each other, once the Sunnis and Shiites have finished beheading each other, and once every single Muslim has finished slaughtering every other Muslim who in any way dissents from his understanding of Islam.

That’s the brand of peace we’re seeing in Iraq and Syria today. Or the peace process between Israel and the Arab Muslims who were rebranded as “Palestinians” because it made them seem like a local flavor.

Islam rejects the idea that mutual empathy should transcend conflict. Instead it believes that war should transcend humanity. Or as the Koran puts it, “Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that ye hate a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that ye love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, ye know not.”

The Western tradition is biased toward the peace of co-existence. It applies the logic of armistice toward all areas of life leading to the championing of multiculturalism and immigration. Its siren song is John Lennon’s Imagine with its call for an end to borders, nations, religions and property. Its ideal of peace comes from the end of structure and separation between people.

The Islamic idea of peace however affirms a structure and separation based on the Koran. It believes that there will be peace when everyone is forced to live within the strictures of Islam. And therefore there can be no genuine peace with non-Muslims who do not submit to Islam.

These two incompatible notions of peace continue to collide. Imagine if French soldiers had clambered out to sing and play soccer only to be gunned down by German soldiers who had a fundamentally different idea of peace. This was actually how WW2 was shaped as the victorious side played by outdated rules while Nazi Germany, Japan and the USSR shifted to a thoroughly totalitarian mentality.

Munich was a disaster because Hitler was not the Kaiser. The other side was no longer willing to play by any rules, even in diplomatic negotiations, or to accept anything short of total victory. The Allies were forced to match their enemies in a ruthless war that saw entire cities destroyed.

The Nazis and Communists were the products of years of indoctrination that taught them to see opponents as less than human and peace as being obtainable only through their destruction. Japan, which had a longer history of dehumanizing outsiders, proved to be an even tougher nut to crack.

Islam has a history of over a thousand years of continuously dehumanizing non-Muslims and identifying peace and their enslavement as one and the same. It is impossible to live in peace with Muslims who think that there can be no peace as long as non-Muslims continue to live independent lives.

In the Muslim worldview, war happens because non-Muslims exist. War is caused by the infidel, the disbeliever and the Muslim hypocrite who does not truly commit to the practice of Islam. The Jihad purifies the world of non-Muslims; it eradicates the “moderate” Muslims who have been compromised by Western culture. It is a war of extermination against the un-Islamic.

When Westerners propose peace, Muslims reject them as hypocrites for speaking of peace, but refusing to accept the only religion that can bring peace. They feel no obligation to honor any peace agreements since peace can only come from Islam and the Western rejection of Islam proves our deceitfulness and bad intentions. This dynamic is inherent in the Koran and the entire history of Islam.

Islam does not obtain peace through peace, but through war. It seeks a world without conflict by killing anyone who might disagree with its totalitarian ideology.

Proposing the peace of co-existence to an ideology to which peace means its own supremacy is a foolish and deranged act. Our outreach to the Muslim world does not lack for a common language, but for common ideas. Both sides may speak of peace, but for one side peace really means war.

Languages are not only made up of words, but of values. It is not enough to bring a dictionary to a negotiation if the two parties are reading from different moral and ethical traditions. Just because we translate “Salaam” as peace and agree that we both want peace does not mean that we have the same idea of what peace is.

The West sees peace as living side by side with Muslims. Muslims see peace as the end of the West.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 9:16 am
 


martin14 martin14:
andyt andyt:

The Shahada may have been a bit of a diversion.



Yeah he was asking for an ISIS flag, guess he was too stupid to bring one with him.

He was also writing nice letters to the families of dead Aussie soldiers,
calling them murderers, calling them pigs and dirty animals.

A real Muslim.



He's an Iranian. Doubt if he has common cause with ISIS.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 9:26 am
 


Aussies offer support to Muslims fearing #SydneySiege backlash

http://www.cbc.ca/newsblogs/yourcommuni ... klash.html

Good to see that Aussies are as intelligent as Canadians in a moment like this. Present company excepted, of course.


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