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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 11:25 pm
 


Title: Healthy fast food' McDonald's kale salad has more calories than a Double Big Mac
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Posted By: Strutz
Date: 2017-05-07 23:16:26
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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 11:25 pm
 


I noticed after I uploaded this article that it was originally posted by CBC in Feb 2016 but it was updated today.

Kind of old news so this is irrelevant.


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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2017 12:14 am
 


Who would really be surprised by this?


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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2017 6:04 am
 


kitty kitty:
Who would really be surprised by this?


Many people who think 'vegetables' are good for you, but don't realize that oil and fat can have so many calories as to negate the 'good' part. Three heads of Kale or one shot glass of cooking oil have about the same calories.

It's not in fast food restaurants best interest to sell you healthy food.


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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2017 5:02 pm
 


DrCaleb DrCaleb:
kitty kitty:
Who would really be surprised by this?


Many people who think 'vegetables' are good for you, but don't realize that oil and fat can have so many calories as to negate the 'good' part. Three heads of Kale or one shot glass of cooking oil have about the same calories.

It's not in fast food restaurants best interest to sell you healthy food.


How about the apple slices in happy meals that never turn brown?

You got to believe that cant be good for you either.


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How about the apple slices in happy meals that never turn brown?

You got to believe that cant be good for you either.

I really do not want to know what is done to them to make them not turn brown. 8O There are probably too many syllables involved.


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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 5:19 am
 


Strutz Strutz:
kitty kitty:
How about the apple slices in happy meals that never turn brown?

You got to believe that cant be good for you either.

I really do not want to know what is done to them to make them not turn brown. 8O There are probably too many syllables involved.


Actually, just a little lemon juice or citric acid in water and dip them in the water. That's how you keep apples and peaches from browning when you can them. ;) Could be packaged in nitrogen, like most vegetables are. That will delay oxidation too.


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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 6:50 am
 


Since January, all Ontario restaurants with 20 or more locations have been required to include the calorie content on menus. That includes fast food chain like McDonalds

Despite shrieking from the usual corners that doing so would trigger the apocalypse, it's been a huge success,everyone I know appreciates the information, even the people who clearly don't care what they eat find it an interesting topic of conversation.

Critics like to say you don't need to know the calories just use "common sense" but as this story shows, there's no way people can accurately judge calories by the menu description alone. You can't even ballpark it, it could easily be two or three times as much as you guess it to be. People often think they're making a low-calorie choice when in fact unbeknownst to them they're eating almost their entire daily intake in one sitting. Not long after the law came into effect we were at The Keg with a group of people and everyone was really surprised to see the highest calorie option on the menu - by far - was the salmon. How many people do you think have ordered the salmon at The Keg, thinking they were making a healthier choice?


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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 7:58 am
 


Caloric content is a piss poor measure of 'healthy' food.

Not that it matters, but McDonald's has had their nutritional data readily available since 2006. Both online and in store. North America wide.

People have been able to read exactly what kind of garbage it is...they still eat there.


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I don't know anyone who's bothered to go online or read a poster or nutritional pamphlet. For most people, seeing it on the menu will be the first time they've ever seen it. I don't know if it will discourage people from eating there but will ANYONE bother to order the kale salad now? It will also likely affect what people choose to eat for the rest of the day. If you came to McDs for a Big Mac, you're probably going to have the Big Mac. But seeing how many calories it is will probably affect what you decide to have for dinner, and I'm sure it will have an impact on people's decision to supersize and parents' decision s on childrens orders.


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I don't know anyone who's bothered to go online or read a poster or nutritional pamphlet.

If they can't be bothered to do the absolute minimum amount of research, for their own health, will seeing the caloric content actually change anything?
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For most people, seeing it on the menu will be the first time they've ever seen it. I don't know if it will discourage people from eating there but will ANYONE bother to order the kale salad now? It will also likely affect what people choose to eat for the rest of the day. If you came to McDs for a Big Mac, you're probably going to have the Big Mac. But seeing how many calories it is will probably affect what you decide to have for dinner, and I'm sure it will have an impact on people's decision to supersize and parents' decision s on childrens orders.

And here in lies the problem. People will make bad decisions because the only 'easy number' presented is one that has very little to do with the actual 'health' of your food.

This is why there are morbidly obese people that are starving.

Reminds me of Idiocracy...it has electrolytes!


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If they can't be bothered to do the absolute minimum amount of research, for their own health, will seeing the caloric content actually change anything?


Of course it does! The entire advertising and marketing industry is based on the fact that you have to constantly push information to customers because they won't go out and fetch it on their own, and they often don't even know what information they should be looking for in the first place.

Do you really think that people do any kind of research on the products in their shopping carts? Their decisions are mostly based on the product labels and advertising, not because they went online to research what is the best brand of dish soap or jarred olive. Just because someone doesn't care to spend time researching every product they purchase doesn't mean they don't care to know any basic facts about the product and its quality. That's what product labels are for. A menu is like a product label. No customer has ever complained that the label provides too much info and they wish it told them less about the product.

It's neither practical or reasonable to expect that people would research and commit to memory the nutritional facts of every menu item of every restaurant where they might someday eat.

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And here in lies the problem. People will make bad decisions because the only 'easy number' presented is one that has very little to do with the actual 'health' of your food.

This is why there are morbidly obese people that are starving.

Reminds me of Idiocracy...it has electrolytes!


Calories aren't the only thing that matters for proper nutrition but that's a false assumption and a false argument on your part. The false assumption is that the menu rule is meant to encourage people to eat a nutritionally balanced diet with all their vitamins and minerals. It's not. It's meant to HELP address one specific problem, which is obesity, whose main cause is excessive calorie consumption. It's not meant to cure people who are already morbidly obese, just put more information front and centre so people have a better idea of what they're taking in. People have fitbits that track how many calories they're burning, based on their popularity I think it's safe to assume there's general interest among those who also eat at restaurants to know how many calories they're putting back in.

It's not about making sure people get their minimum daily intake of riboflavin or getting enough vitamin C to stave off scurvy. It's not even about making sure kids get enough calcium for growing bones and teeth. This is just about the problem of excessive calorie consumption, which is a problem in and of itself.

This probably will prompt you to say that this one initiative alone won't solve obesity and won't suddenly transform people's lives. This is a false argument because very rarely in life is there one magical solution that solves a problem completely and nobody is pretending that is the case here. Most situations have many contributing factors and require many solutions, big and small

I have seen with my own eyes that the calorie count influences what people order (it is not the only factor of course) and I know that when people are aware that they've had a 1300 calorie lunch they don't go have a 1500 calorie dinner. I also expect that over time peoples nutritional literacy will improve and restaurants will respond by offering more low calorie options.


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