[Newsbot]

Title: Hawaii's health director declares Obama's birth certificate genuine
Category: Uncle Sam
Posted By: Hyack
Date: 2009-07-27 23:18:24

[SigPig]

Game, set, match.

[Brenda]

So can we finally move on, or will this come up again, someday, when tinfoilers will yell: but that health director was mentally ill/died the next day/was bribed/yadda yadda yadda?

[Mustang1]

Let's see how many of the Birthers and fence-sitters actually come out and concede the point. Methinks not too many.

[martin14]

Mustang1 Mustang1:

Let's see how many of the Birthers and fence-sitters actually come out and concede the point. Methinks not too many.

You are probably right, not too many.


Well, I am a fence sitter.

All I want is to see a complete scan of the original
document. Both sides, in color would be nice, thanks.

The fact that it hasnt been produced is the only
reason for the question.

Is it really so difficult to produce the long form,
like McCain did ?

[DerbyX]

The State of Hawaii Vital Statistics Act (HRS Chapter 338) uses the following terms:

"birth certificate"" for the document created by State authorities when recording a birth, and kept among the State's records
"certified copies" for the document issued upon request of people authorized by law, that contains information from the birth certificate
(Note: terminology varies by jurisdiction; for example, the Ontario Vital Statistics Act (RSO 1990, chap. V-7) uses the terms registration and certificate instead, and the terms birth certificate and registration are both used to describe the same document in Chapter 46 of the General Laws of massachusetts.

If one checks the instructions for filing a request for a certified copy of a Hawaii birth certificate, he/she will notice that the only options offered are a letter of confirmation (yes, we have a registration) and a certified copies. Nowhere there is any mention of something like two distinc documents, called birth certificate and certificate of live birth. there is only ONE type of certified copy provided by the State of Hawaii, and tht title on that document is "Certification of live birth".

Rumours that Obama's birth certificate (that is the original document held by State of Hawaii) hyas been sealed were debunked by Chiyome Fukino, director of the State's Health Department (responsible for vital statistics), who stated the State Governor (who happened to also be the chair of John McCain's campaign in the State) had not ordered that Obama's certificate be handled differently than other certificates.

*****
The State of Hawaii does NOT issue "long form birth certificates", only certified copies like the one Barack Obama obtained and made public. It does NOT issue photocopies of the records in their custody. Like any other jurisfiction, it does NOT provides access to the original record until a number of years have elapsed (in Ontario, the original birth registrations become publicly available (on microfilm) after 97 years).

Considering this, can someone provide even a semi-logical explanation of how Obama could hold or obtain a government document that the government will not issue to him?

If there is any record sealed, can anyone show by whom, and under which authority? Blogs do not count. I am talking about a regulation, directive, court order, etc., with the actual reference.

[Mustang1]

martin14 martin14:

Mustang1 Mustang1:

Let's see how many of the Birthers and fence-sitters actually come out and concede the point. Methinks not too many.

You are probably right, not too many.


Well, I am a fence sitter.

All I want is to see a complete scan of the original
document. Both sides, in color would be nice, thanks.

The fact that it hasnt been produced is the only
reason for the question.

Is it really so difficult to produce the long form,
like McCain did ?

Well...even McCain's group acknowledged Obama's certificate as did numerous agencies, judiciary bodies and Hawaii, so i'm not sure what that the "other" side is other than crank birther partisan dreck. I'm not an intellectual relativist, so sometimes there is no other side.

[Mustang1]

DerbyX DerbyX:

The State of Hawaii Vital Statistics Act (HRS Chapter 338) uses the following terms:

"birth certificate"" for the document created by State authorities when recording a birth, and kept among the State's records
"certified copies" for the document issued upon request of people authorized by law, that contains information from the birth certificate
(Note: terminology varies by jurisdiction; for example, the Ontario Vital Statistics Act (RSO 1990, chap. V-7) uses the terms registration and certificate instead, and the terms birth certificate and registration are both used to describe the same document in Chapter 46 of the General Laws of massachusetts.

If one checks the instructions for filing a request for a certified copy of a Hawaii birth certificate, he/she will notice that the only options offered are a letter of confirmation (yes, we have a registration) and a certified copies. Nowhere there is any mention of something like two distinc documents, called birth certificate and certificate of live birth. there is only ONE type of certified copy provided by the State of Hawaii, and tht title on that document is "Certification of live birth".

Rumours that Obama's birth certificate (that is the original document held by State of Hawaii) hyas been sealed were debunked by Chiyome Fukino, director of the State's Health Department (responsible for vital statistics), who stated the State Governor (who happened to also be the chair of John McCain's campaign in the State) had not ordered that Obama's certificate be handled differently than other certificates.

*****
The State of Hawaii does NOT issue "long form birth certificates", only certified copies like the one Barack Obama obtained and made public. It does NOT issue photocopies of the records in their custody. Like any other jurisfiction, it does NOT provides access to the original record until a number of years have elapsed (in Ontario, the original birth registrations become publicly available (on microfilm) after 97 years).

Considering this, can someone provide even a semi-logical explanation of how Obama could hold or obtain a government document that the government will not issue to him?

If there is any record sealed, can anyone show by whom, and under which authority? Blogs do not count. I am talking about a regulation, directive, court order, etc., with the actual reference.

Sorry, just saw this - nice.

[DerbyX]

I wish I could take credit but I borrowed it from another forum.

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//ind ... 4555&st=30