[Newsbot]

Title: Halal abattoir staff 'hacked and taunted sheep' in Thirsk
Category: Religion
Posted By: N_Fiddledog
Date: 2015-02-03 00:19:53

[N_Fiddledog]

Yeah I know, "Ho hum, another halal story."

But this one comes with a fresh angle on the abuse claim, and more interesting there was another one that came out today.

It offers an example of where the Halal money goes.

[N_Fiddledog]

Spanish call centers and butcher's shops fund jihad





(ANSAmed) - MADRID - There is a network of at least 250 call centers, halal butcher's shops and grocery stores in Spain funding jihadist operations in Syria and Iraq. To send donations to the Islamic State (ISIS) or the Syrian Al-Qaeda affiliate Jabhat Al-Nusra, the network uses the 'hawala' informal money transfer system. The system avoids inspection by the authorities and moves the savings of over 150,000 Muslims, estimated at 300 million euros per year, Spanish daily El Pais quoted intelligence services as saying. The hawala circuit is based on trust between a network of family members and those from the same country to send money to other parts of the world without leaving physical traces of it.

It is used by Syrian, Tunisian, Algerian and especially Pakistani immigrants. Investigators say that there are about 300 hawala terminals and clandestine 'offices' in Barcelona, Tarragona, Lleida, Bilbao, Santander, Valencia and Madrid used by the network to support the 'jihadist cause'...

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[DrCaleb]

This is no different than any other abattoir, halal or not.

You should see what happens to 1 day old male chickens at a hatchery. You'd never eat chicken again.

[Zipperfish]

Yeah, I wish they'd blow the lid off the whole slaughterhouse thing. But there are none so blind as those who choose not to see.

I still eat chicken--but only chickens that got to run around for a while first.

[DrCaleb]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

I still eat chicken--but only chickens that got to run around for a while first.

Pretty rare nowadays. I'm considering my options, as the more I dig into the world of how our food is made, I'm liking it less and less. It was bad when I worked in a slaughterhouse, but it's really gotten worse the last 20 years.

We don't need animal protein to survive, and I don't see why I should contribute to the treatment of animals and accept the risks of eating animal protein given the alternatives are better all around.

Albert Einstein Albert Einstein:

Although I have been prevented by outward circumstances from observing a strictly vegetarian diet, I have long been an adherent to the cause in principle. Besides agreeing with the aims of vegetarianism for aesthetic and moral reasons, it is my view that a vegetarian manner of living by its purely physical effect on the human temperament would most beneficially influence the lot of mankind.

Mark Twain Mark Twain:

Of all the creatures, man is the most detestable. Of the entire brood, he’s the one that possesses malice. He is the only creature that inflicts pain for sport, knowing it to be pain. The fact that man knows right from wrong proves his intellectual superiority to the other creatures; but the fact that he can do wrong proves his moral inferiority to any creature that cannot.

[Zipperfish]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Pretty rare nowadays. I'm considering my options, as the more I dig into the world of how our food is made, I'm liking it less and less. It was bad when I worked in a slaughterhouse, but it's really gotten worse the last 20 years.

We don't need animal protein to survive, and I don't see why I should contribute to the treatment of animals and accept the risks of eating animal protein given the alternatives are better all around.

Albert Einstein Albert Einstein:

Although I have been prevented by outward circumstances from observing a strictly vegetarian diet, I have long been an adherent to the cause in principle. Besides agreeing with the aims of vegetarianism for aesthetic and moral reasons, it is my view that a vegetarian manner of living by its purely physical effect on the human temperament would most beneficially influence the lot of mankind.

Mark Twain Mark Twain:

Of all the creatures, man is the most detestable. Of the entire brood, he’s the one that possesses malice. He is the only creature that inflicts pain for sport, knowing it to be pain. The fact that man knows right from wrong proves his intellectual superiority to the other creatures; but the fact that he can do wrong proves his moral inferiority to any creature that cannot.

Well the venerable Mark Twain is actually incorrect. Many creatures actually hunt for sport.

That said, I'm paying way more (and therefore eating less meat) but getting meat from animals that were not mistreated their whole lives. It's not the death of the animla that bothers, but the life. It doesn't show respect.

[2Cdo]

We might not need animal protein to "survive" but we are omnivores and thus do need some animal protein. I'm with Zip on this, I prefer knowing where my meat comes from and am willing to pay more for free-range, non-hormone, chemically laced meat.

[ShepherdsDog]

$1:

We don't need animal protein to survive

Sorry, but life to me is more than just 'surviving'. Millions of years of evolution made us omnivores, and consumption of animal protein and fat is what gave our brain the boost required to lift us from being just another primate. Do we consume too much red meat....yes. A vegan lifestyle isn't the answer though. That's trading one extreme for another.

[DrCaleb]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

We might not need animal protein to "survive" but we are omnivores and thus do need some animal protein. I'm with Zip on this, I prefer knowing where my meat comes from and am willing to pay more for free-range, non-hormone, chemically laced meat.

Nothing wrong with that at all. But it's a wives tale that we need some animal protein in our diets. We don't need animal protein, we can get better protein from plants, and it doesn't come with all the fat.

One of the things I've run across in my learning about nutrition is a study that took 20 years of data in China, and made some very strong correlations between animal protein in a diet and certain chronic diseases like we see today in the North American diet. Those with a strong plant protein component in their diet did not have that risk. And since China is becoming more western with more fast food in the diet, we are seeing those chronic diseases on the rise.

We can look to places like Japan who have a mostly raw diets, low in animal protein, and it's low cancer rates. Or places like India and Laos who's per capita rates of chronic food based disease are inversely proportional to the rate of vegetables consumed in the diet.

Ever hear of someone in treatment because they ate too much salad?

[DrCaleb]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

$1:

We don't need animal protein to survive

Sorry, but life to me is more than just 'surviving'. Millions of years of evolution made us omnivores, and consumption of animal protein and fat is what gave our brain the boost required to lift us from being just another primate. Do we consume too much red meat....yes. A vegan lifestyle isn't the answer though. That's trading one extreme for another.

Actually, it was cooking the food to pre-digest it and get more of the sugars out of it that has given us such big brains. Beans and legumes have more proteins than meat, and they don't have the cholesterol that causes heart disease.

And I don't see vegetarianism or veganism as an extreme. I was mostly there already; I don't eat meat at every meal, usually only on weekends do I have the time to prepare something nice. And there are many cultures in the world that were already vegan, so it's not like it's that big of a stretch.

I doubt I'd go 100% vegan anyway. I like cheese and bacon too much. But it wouldn't hurt to cut back on them, my waist and feet would thank me.

[andyt]

What cultures are vegan? Vegetarian, yes, but no animal products of any kind, including for clothing - doubt there were any cultures like that. little subgroups, yes.

[BartSimpson]

andyt andyt:

What cultures are vegan? Vegetarian, yes, but no animal products of any kind, including for clothing - doubt there were any cultures like that. little subgroups, yes.

Still making excuses for your pet moslems, eh? Sorry, chum, there's no excuse for permitting halal or kosher slaughter (same thing) in a civilized country. If they can't slaughter animals humanely then they can eat vegan. Period.

[DrCaleb]

andyt andyt:

What cultures are vegan? Vegetarian, yes, but no animal products of any kind, including for clothing - doubt there were any cultures like that. little subgroups, yes.

True, there might only be subgroups. I was thinking more of the Indian lifestyle where no animals are consumed. They still use animal products, like milk, so they'd be more veggie than vegan.

[andyt]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

andyt andyt:

What cultures are vegan? Vegetarian, yes, but no animal products of any kind, including for clothing - doubt there were any cultures like that. little subgroups, yes.

Still making excuses for your pet moslems, eh? Sorry, chum, there's no excuse for permitting halal or kosher slaughter (same thing) in a civilized country. If they can't slaughter animals humanely then they can eat vegan. Period.