[Newsbot]

Title: Guns and poses: Obama weeps, the NRA reloads
Category: Uncle Sam
Posted By: andyt
Date: 2016-01-07 12:59:15

[andyt]

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These are not exactly radical measures: enforcing existing laws, helping police do their jobs and protecting children.

Naturally, the gun lobby opposes them all.

"We will not allow law-abiding gun owners to be harassed or intimidated for engaging in lawful, constitutionally-protected activity," declared the NRA in response to the president's announcement.

Interesting, by the way, that reference to "law-abiding."

Nowhere on the NRA site is there any denunciation of the heavily armed "militiamen" who are occupying a federal wildlife refuge in rural Oregon because they're angry that two of their ideological fellow-travellers were sent to prison for arson on federal land.

This heroic band, waving around copies of the Constitution for reporters and cameras, has posted lookouts and is threatening to use their weapons if police seek to enforce the law and eject them.

They've appealed for public donations for things they need, including "camo gear," the better to conceal themselves as they aim their rifles.

Risibly, they've repeatedly compared themselves to Black Lives Matter, the group that has carried out (unarmed) disruptions in shopping malls and on public roads to protest the alarming number of killings of unarmed black Americans by police, who are almost never convicted.

Actually, they're probably lucky nobody is confusing them with armed black men. Otherwise they'd probably already be dead or in hospital for such open defiance of authority.

And if they were Muslims, well, you know.

[DanSC]

After Speaker Boehner retired, someone in our government had to take up the crying duties.

[xerxes]

Unlike the heartless fucks at FOX news, crying over all the poor gun owners who won't be able to kill people accidentally or mow down black people in a church in the name of the white race.

[PluggyRug]

I agree with Obama wanting background checks enforced, however the false tears didn't do him any favours.

[Thanos]

I doubt that the emotion was false in the slightest considering he's said a few times that the day of the Sandy Hook atrocity was the worst day of his entire administration.

[martin14]

PluggyRug PluggyRug:

I agree with Obama wanting background checks enforced, however the false tears didn't do him any favours.

This thread should be renamed to Guns and Posers.

[N_Fiddledog]

"A Thorough Fisking Of Obama’s Executive Orders On Gun Control


From



Let's examine. First, from the White House:

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Over the past decade in America, more than 100,000 people have been killed as a result of gun violence—and millions more have been the victim of assaults, robberies, and other crimes involving a gun. Many of these crimes were committed by people who never should have been able to purchase a gun in the first place

And yet the CDC says firearms are "an important crime deterrent," if you want to put stock in a government entity for an obvious answer. The benefits of firearms vastly outweigh the abuses of them by criminals:

The Institute of Medicine and the National Research Council released the results of their research through the CDC last month. Researchers compiled data from previous studies in order to guide future research on gun violence, noting that “almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year.”

More from the White House:

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And too many children are killed or injured by firearms every year, often by accident

I look forward to the President's executive orders on pools, cars, and bikes. I've covered previously:


Cars, pools, bicycles, and other unintentional injuries are the top killers of children.

The leading causes of injury-related death among children ages 14 and under are motor vehicle crashes, suffocation, drowning and fires and/or burns.

Over 1,400 children were killed by cars, almost 260 of those deaths were young pedestrians. Bicycle and space heater accidents take many times more children’s lives than guns. Over 90 drowned in bathtubs. The most recent yearly data available indicates that over 30 children under age 5 drowned in five-gallon plastic water buckets..

Furthermore, vastly more children are killed by fire and water than accidentally by firearms.

Back to the White House:

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The vast majority of Americans—including the vast majority of gun owners—believe we must take sensible steps to address these horrible tragedies.

Who are these people? I get the progressive obsession to speak for every group, but this doesn't speak for gun owners. This claim is also wrong. From Truth Revolt:

"According to a CNN poll conducted last month, nearly 60% do not want the types of gun control laws Obama is asking for. In fact since 2013, a majority have felt this way. "

Back to the White House once again:

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... the President continues to call on Congress to pass the kind of commonsense gun safety reforms supported by a majority of the American people.

What reforms? And why is common sense one word? The "expanded background checks" the President calls for already exist in California, Colorado, Oregon, Washington, the states which most recently endured tragedies. Why didn't those "commonsense" laws reduce anything?

Here comes the line items:

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1. Keep guns out of the wrong hands through background checks.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) is making clear that it doesn’t matter where you conduct your business—from a store, at gun shows, or over the Internet: If you’re in the business of selling firearms, you must get a license and conduct background checks.

"If you're in the business of selling firearms ..." this is already a law and federally regulated. So Obama wants to pass this law again? Or make everyone a FFL thereby creating a defacto registry, something I've previously asked? This is the biggest takeaway."

The rest is at the link