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PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 12:31 pm
 


Title: Government bill adds 30 new House of Commons seats
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Posted By: Hyack
Date: 2010-04-01 10:21:18
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 12:31 pm
 


One positive about this is it makes up for the inequities in the Senate.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 12:32 pm
 


On the bad side is that the cost of government just increased substantially.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 12:36 pm
 


On the good side the cost of *influencing* government just increased substantially.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 12:54 pm
 


DerbyX DerbyX:
On the bad side is that the cost of government just increased substantially.

That's the first thing that came to my mind. All those ridiculous salaries and benefits plus support staff, travel expenses, etc etc etc.

If this bill passes we'll have 338 seats but it could be MUCH worse I guess.

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Pure representation by population is almost impossible in Canada because the Constitution guarantees that no province can have fewer MPs than it has senators. That means Prince Edward Island, with about 141,000 people, is assured of four MPs -- or one for every 35,000 people.

If that ratio were accepted nationally, it would require more than 970 MPs.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 1:10 pm
 


DerbyX DerbyX:
On the bad side is that the cost of government just increased substantially.


Adding 30 MPs isn't going to add all that much to the budget in the whole scheme of things. At most, it'll add a hundred million or two to the budget, which is petty cash for the entire annual budget. I know it sounds like a lot, but it's probably less than 1/2 a percent of the entire budget. The offset in representation is worth it IMHO.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 2:26 pm
 


Strutz Strutz:
DerbyX DerbyX:
On the bad side is that the cost of government just increased substantially.

That's the first thing that came to my mind. All those ridiculous salaries and benefits plus support staff, travel expenses, etc etc etc.

If this bill passes we'll have 338 seats but it could be MUCH worse I guess.

$1:
Pure representation by population is almost impossible in Canada because the Constitution guarantees that no province can have fewer MPs than it has senators. That means Prince Edward Island, with about 141,000 people, is assured of four MPs -- or one for every 35,000 people.

If that ratio were accepted nationally, it would require more than 970 MPs.


Actually, it could be done with just 844 MPs, at 40000 people per MP, as you can take advantage of rounding (3.5 rounds to 4, so divide 141000 by 3.5 and you get just over 40000).

Abolish the Senate and you'd recoup a lot of the increased cost. I'm sure we could get creative and use the now vacant chamber to seat the additional MPs, on benches instead of at desks.

You could also go a decent way to easing the distortions of SMP voting as the ridings would be, for the most part, more than 2.5 times smaller.

It would furthermore be much harder to whip votes with so many more MPs, simply by the logistics of having to approach that many more people to lay down the line, as well as, as has been said in various articles on the subject, because the cost of the penalties that the parties can mete out would be that much less for the backbenchers (who are now on the actual benches mentioned above). So there would be more free votes.

And I totally agree with Bart in that it would be that much harder to buy influence with so many MPs to buy.

The downsides are few and repetetive, the plus sides are many and exciting. I with the idea weren't so casually dismissed.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 2:32 pm
 


bootlegga bootlegga:
One positive about this is it makes up for the inequities in the Senate.



Also no extra seats for the Bloc to pick up, the biggest positive for me.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 2:32 pm
 


Holy shit Hurley, you just get out of jail or something? haven't seen you here in ages.


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2Cdo 2Cdo:
Holy shit Hurley, you just get out of jail or something? haven't seen you here in ages.


He's been stuck on the Island with the "others" and just got back.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 2:37 pm
 


Bodah Bodah:
2Cdo 2Cdo:
Holy shit Hurley, you just get out of jail or something? haven't seen you here in ages.


He's been stuck on the Island with the "others" and just got back.


They're not quite back yet are they?


I've missed the last 2 episodes! :evil:


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I dont bother watching the episodes, I love the series and since I'm a collector I want the dvd box sets and all the goodies that go with it. I'd rather wait.

Theirs a girl at work who's a dead ringer for Kate, I get paralyzed by her beauty at times :oops:

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 2:48 pm
 


The big thing here is that 30 seats in the ROC will diminish the overly represented voice of Quebec.

This will also mean that Quebec will be less crucial to a majority, be it Liberal or Tory.

This isn't a Quebec bash, it's just acknowledging that things have changed. 30 seats will definitely change the dynamics of Federal politics.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 9:07 pm
 


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