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Title: German court rules cities can ban diesel cars to tackle pollution | World news | The Guardian
Category: Environmental
Posted By: Freakinoldguy
Date: 2018-02-28 11:24:38
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[Freakinoldguy]

While hilarious given Volkswagen's outstanding efforts to comply with the environmental wogs dictates, does anybody remember this:

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Diesel was promoted as a more environmentally friendly fuel as part of the EUs response to the 1997 Kyoto Protocol to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, especially carbon dioxide (CO₂). Diesel engines are lean-burn, meaning they use less fuel and more air to get the same performance as a petrol engine

https://theconversation.com/fact-check- ... cars-76241

I wonder what other genius ideas from the Kyoto and subsequent Paris Accords are also unachievable and going to come back and bite us in the ass both financially and environmentally?

[DrCaleb]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

While hilarious given Volkswagen's outstanding efforts to comply with the environmental wogs dictates, does anybody remember this:

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Diesel was promoted as a more environmentally friendly fuel as part of the EUs response to the 1997 Kyoto Protocol to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, especially carbon dioxide (CO₂). Diesel engines are lean-burn, meaning they use less fuel and more air to get the same performance as a petrol engine

https://theconversation.com/fact-check- ... cars-76241

I wonder what other genius ideas from the Kyoto and subsequent Paris Accords are also unachievable and going to come back and bite us in the ass both financially and environmentally?

It actually is pretty clean, if the exhaust uses the proper equipment to clean up emissions. That's how Volkswagen passed emissions tests, by fitting cars with the right equipment.

But the equipment is expensive, and must be replaced often, making the cars expensive to own. It also reduced horsepower. So Volkswagen turned the equipment off during normal driving, when it should have been on, and only turned it on when the vehicle was being tested for emissions.

The exhaust the cars end up emitting will contribute to the premature death of many thousands of people. That's why people went to jail.

[martin14]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

I wonder what other genius ideas from the Kyoto and subsequent Paris Accords are also unachievable and going to come back and bite us in the ass both financially and environmentally?

All of them.

[DrCaleb]

martin14 martin14:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

I wonder what other genius ideas from the Kyoto and subsequent Paris Accords are also unachievable and going to come back and bite us in the ass both financially and environmentally?

All of them.

At least, every one we don't try.

[martin14]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

martin14 martin14:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

I wonder what other genius ideas from the Kyoto and subsequent Paris Accords are also unachievable and going to come back and bite us in the ass both financially and environmentally?

All of them.

At least, every one we don't try.

You keep thinking these changes, charges, carbon markets, and of course
all the extra taxes everyone in the West has to pay will actually change something.

It won't.

It is just another transfer of wealth, only now on a world wide scale.

[martin14]

Speaking of which............



Car exhaust CO2 emissions rise for the first time in TWO DECADES - as anti-diesel assault could see the UK fail to meet 2021 pollution targets

Average CO2 output of cars sold in 2017 was 121g/km - up 0.8% year-on-year
It's the first time since records began that carbon tailpipe emissions have risen
EU rules dictate that the UK needs to reduce average outputs to 95g/km by 2021
Greenpeace hit out at motor industry, claiming no such thing as a clean diesel


Read more: http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars ... z58R7O38i3

[Freakinoldguy]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

While hilarious given Volkswagen's outstanding efforts to comply with the environmental wogs dictates, does anybody remember this:

$1:

Diesel was promoted as a more environmentally friendly fuel as part of the EUs response to the 1997 Kyoto Protocol to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, especially carbon dioxide (CO₂). Diesel engines are lean-burn, meaning they use less fuel and more air to get the same performance as a petrol engine

https://theconversation.com/fact-check- ... cars-76241

I wonder what other genius ideas from the Kyoto and subsequent Paris Accords are also unachievable and going to come back and bite us in the ass both financially and environmentally?

It actually is pretty clean, if the exhaust uses the proper equipment to clean up emissions. That's how Volkswagen passed emissions tests, by fitting cars with the right equipment.

But the equipment is expensive, and must be replaced often, making the cars expensive to own. It also reduced horsepower. So Volkswagen turned the equipment off during normal driving, when it should have been on, and only turned it on when the vehicle was being tested for emissions.

The exhaust the cars end up emitting will contribute to the premature death of many thousands of people. That's why people went to jail.

If that's true why didn't the German Court just ban Volkswagen Diesels or just make the automakers keep the anti pollution gear running?

Seems to me the courts have either overreacted or they know that diesels aren't as clean as claimed by the automakers and will never be no matter the technology they apply.

Besides, The German courts are doing what the German Gov't wouldn't do whichis getting in line with the rest of the EU who've apparently already soured on diesel.

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Britain and France want to end the sale of diesel cars. Madrid and Athens are banning them entirely. Automakers like Volvo are switching to electric engines.

In Germany, those developments have created something akin to a national emergency, threatening an industry that employs hundreds of thousands of people.

As others have increased investment in electric cars and pushed tougher rules threatening diesel, though, German auto executives and political leaders meeting in Berlin on Wednesday appeared determined to rescue the technology.

After a largely stage-managed meeting — described as a “diesel summit” — they announced plans to update the software in 5 million cars to reduce emissions of nitrogen oxides, the byproduct of diesel most harmful to human health.

The German manufacturers also said they would contribute to a fund worth 500 million euros, or $590 million, to finance measures to reduce urban pollution, for example by modernizing bus fleets or building bike paths.

Continue reading the main story
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Most of the software upgrades had already been announced by the German manufacturers, while politicians and automotive executives alike rejected calls by environmental groups to force carmakers to add antipollution hardware like better catalytic converters. And they were unanimous in opposing plans by some cities to ban diesels from downtown areas.

“The government’s chumminess with the auto industry continues,” Oliver Krischer, a leader of the opposition Green Party, said in a statement Wednesday. “While China, California, Norway and many others are tackling electromobility, the government is turning Germany into a diesel museum.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/02/busi ... sions.html

[stratos]

Question doesn't most semi trucks run on diesel. I know the article says cars but if some city wants to go all green and such wouldn't it slit their own throats because there would no longer be outside deliveries of needed products.

[martin14]

stratos stratos:

Question doesn't most semi trucks run on diesel. I know the article says cars but if some city wants to go all green and such wouldn't it slit their own throats because there would no longer be outside deliveries of needed products.

Ahh, you have discovered the small chink in the absolutely perfect reasoning
capabilities of the Euroweenie environmentalist.

Let's ban all diesels in the centers of the cities, and everything will be perfect.

So this is what will be banned.

99% semi trailers
99% 5ton delivery trucks
99% 3ton delivery trucks
99% 1ton trucks
99% moving trucks
99%delivery vans

so nothing gets delivered into downtown

99% tradesman trucks, telephone, electricity, city vehicles, etc.
99% taxis
99% ambulances

so nothing gets fixed in downtown, and you will die downtown


80-90% public buses
75% trains that serve the outlying areas are diesel electric.


oh and
almost half the current diesel cars registered in Germany are as clean as
gas cars, and wouldn't be banned anyway.



Can you start to see just how stupid this idea really is ?

The list of exemptions that will have to be granted will be 8 times as long
as the list of banned vehicles.
Compensation will have to be paid to people who bought diesel cars for loss
of value.
And of course the government jobs and money wasted with cameras and traffic cops
and deciding what is banned and what isn't banned, and the legislation,
and the protests, and the anger, and the loss to German car makers.....

all that for something that won't actually work.


The is how stupid the Euroweenie environmentalist really is. Absolute children.